So I'm out on my motorcycle.....

[Daycrawler]

Open Carry or Concealed Carry does not exist in law while in a vehicle/motorcycle. It is simply called "carry".

You need a license or permit from ANY state (reciprocal or not) to do so.

Thanks, this is where I was going! ^^^^ If you are on a park bench and OC, then you are OC. However move from that park bench and Sit on your MC and you are now concealed by law! Same as entering a Car. I ride on my MC with a SERPA. It does not go unnoticed and as stated before, no Tail gating .....

IANAL

[BimmerJon]

Thanks, this is where I was going! ^^^^ If you are on a park bench and OC, then you are OC. However move from that park bench and Sit on your MC and you are now concealed by law! Same as entering a Car. I ride on my MC with a SERPA. It does not go unnoticed and as stated before, no Tail gating .....

IANAL

Not concealed.... just carrying.

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

[Bill077]

Not concealed.... just carrying

I am guilty of saying that being in or on a vehicle is equivalent to being concealed. While not technically correct, it is a faster way of telling someone that they need an LTCF to be in a vehicle after explaining that you don't need a "CCW" to OC. I would rather make sure that someone I am "educating" doesn't end up in legal trouble, and that essentially gets the point across. If there is time and the person really wants to know and understand the law, I would go into more detail.

[BimmerJon]

You might in turn give them the impression that open carry in a vehicle is legal.
Better to explain it in full but the responsibility is really on them

[Manxdriver]

I am guilty of saying that being in or on a vehicle is equivalent to being concealed. While not technically correct, it is a faster way of telling someone that they need an LTCF to be in a vehicle after explaining that you don't need a "CCW" to OC. I would rather make sure that someone I am "educating" doesn't end up in legal trouble, and that essentially gets the point across. If there is time and the person really wants to know and understand the law, I would go into more detail.

Ill give you points for trying to be helpful, BUT, you are wrong. An equivalent would be:
Sex with condoms can help prevent AIDS, vs. Sex with condoms is completely safe. The first is true, but the second is not completely true, especially if her husband comes home while you are doing his wife, condom or not! See? I hope this helps!

[gascolator]

I don't care if you open carry, but there oughta be a law against butt-cracks in the open on motorcycles.

[twency]

I am guilty of saying that being in or on a vehicle is equivalent to being concealed. While not technically correct, it is a faster way of telling someone that they need an LTCF to be in a vehicle after explaining that you don't need a "CCW" to OC. I would rather make sure that someone I am "educating" doesn't end up in legal trouble, and that essentially gets the point across. If there is time and the person really wants to know and understand the law, I would go into more detail.

Almost equivalent. A key being that CC requires a LTCF or reciprocal permit (or meeting another exception), while carry in a vehicle requires a LTCF or permit from any state (or meeting another exception), as BimmerJon mentioned above.

EDIT: And like BimmerJon also mentioned, it's important to stress that any carry on/in a vehicle requires a license/permit whether or not the firearm is visible. I didn't mean to detract from that point.

[tvtog]

I don't care if you open carry, but there oughta be a law against butt-cracks in the open on motorcycles.

oops..that's my IWB holster. ;-)

And BTW...thanks for all the responses. It really helps to have others' interpretations of statutes or citations provided. I sometimes have a time getting through the legalese of double negatives and prohibitions and exemptions as well as and/or situations....blah blah blah.

And now due to proximity and my penchant for motorcycling forays, I need to find out the same laws (and nuances thereof) in West Virginia and (once my Utah permit arrives) Ohio.

Luckily I am a fan of learning. Thanks for the help!

[Daycrawler]

Not concealed.... just carrying.

18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a license
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

A vehicle is legally any device that people use in, on, or upon which as a means of conveyance, a car, motorcycle, bicycle, sled, skate board & so on!

IANAL

[twency]

Originally Posted by BimmerJon
Not concealed.... just carrying.

18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a license
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

A vehicle is legally any device that people use in, on, or upon which as a means of conveyance, a car, motorcycle, bicycle, sled, skate board & so on!

IANAL

BimmerJon's point remains. If you are carrying on a motorcycle you are not "now concealed by law" as you had previously stated. You instead fall into the category of "any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle" which is distinguished by the statute from "any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person".