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Thread: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
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September 1st, 2012, 09:51 PM #71Banned
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Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
If you prepared properly, you have stockpiled plenty of ammo and mags.
I personally have 18 mags for my Five Seven. If i get the carbine to match, i'll have 18 mags that fit BOTH of my weapons. What a huge advantage!
So what happens when you run out of ammo? Do you think it will be as easy to come by compared to 5.56 or 7.62x39? No it won't be. I'd take a 9mm over a 5.7 if I didn't have a rifle just for the simple fact that ammo will be available somewhere. Good luck with the 5.7, once your out of ammo your pretty much out of luck.
Not to mention having I'd rather have the ability to engage targets effectively at long ranges than be limited to 200yds.
Just because civilization is temporarily on hold, it does not remove the legal threshold for justifiable homicide. Think about it.
Yes, commonality will greatly favor the AR in the US, but that won't stop a 5.7mm user from arming himself with a discarded AR whenever he wants.
The one true drawback of 5.7mm as your SHTF choice is financial. It is not a cheap route to go, but if you can afford it the caliber and platforms offer huge advantages vs the AR/AK platforms.
If you lose or disable your rifle, your mags and ammo are all useless. If you use your pistol, the pistol ammo and mags are useless.
With an MPA5700/FsN combo, your mags and ammo fit both guns. So even if your carbine goes out, you have a 30rd "assault pistol" that will blow through body armor and all your ammo and mags will still fit.
If your pistol gets lost disabled, no big deal....all your ammo and mags still fit your carbine. This is a huge, huge advantage. Couple that with the fact that the 5.7mm user is carrying 360rds vs the 210rds of the 5.56mm user, and again, another huge advantage.
Think about it.Last edited by Valorius; September 1st, 2012 at 09:56 PM.
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September 1st, 2012, 10:00 PM #72
Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
In the scenario that Valorious described (i.e., engagements within 50 yards or less) his choice of consolidating calibers to a 5.7 that can be used on various platforms would make sense. Is it a viable choice for him, sure. Is it for you, probably not so much b/c you don't stock 5.7 rounds. He makes the argument that he can carry a lot more ammo than 5.56 in respect to weight - which I think is a valid argument. Isn't that one of the reasons the military decided to go with the 5.56 instead of the 7.62?
Would I personally carry a 5.7? No b/c I don't want to invest in another caliber. I chose to stick with the 5.56 for heavy duty work and keep a 4.5" .22lr AR upper with a can attached for more discrete work. I carry a m&p 9mm in fullsize and compact b/c the mags are interchangeable (fullsize will fit into a compact but not vice versa).
Each person is going to have to evaluate what is the "best fit" for them and their given scenario.
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September 1st, 2012, 10:01 PM #73Active Member
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Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
Well my original question was, which is the better thing: Tearing a person up on the inside (5.56), or hitting them hard (7.62x39)? Which does more to "stop" a person? That's what I'm trying to find out, lol.
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September 1st, 2012, 10:01 PM #74Banned
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Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
Yep.
The 5.7mm is not an inexpensive choice, that's for sure. Between the pistol, accessories, mags and ammo i have $5000 into my Five Seven pistol. If i pick up and accessorize the carbine (which i'm probably going to do), add in another $1000 bucks for the gun and an optic.
But again...once you get set up with 5.7mm, you really do have some quantifiable advantages vs the person who is not.
Of course the AR also has it's advantages. Longer range, less expensive ammo, parts commonality with the US military and police, etc.
I think 5.56mm is equal to or superior to 7.62x39mm for a civilian in virtually all measurable ways...including terminal damage.
The one scenario that would make me seriously consider a 7.62x39mm over a 5.56mm would be if i was in dangerous game territory, and for some reason i didn't have a shotgun with good Brenneke or sabot slugs. If you're going to have to shoot big angry 4 legged animals i would want the .30 caliber for it's enhanced penetration in tissue.Last edited by Valorius; September 1st, 2012 at 10:04 PM.
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September 1st, 2012, 10:02 PM #75
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September 1st, 2012, 10:02 PM #76
Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
So your basing this universal mag thing on a gun that's probably not even available and ammo that's only made by one manufacturer, correct?
I see no advantage at all only lots of disadvantages. It's common sense to choose the one with the most current availabilty over a new "state of the art" super round, which IMO it's far from that.
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September 1st, 2012, 10:06 PM #77
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September 1st, 2012, 10:07 PM #78Banned
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Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
The MPA5700SST is on the market now. Bud's has them for $579.00
The ammo is made by Fiocchi (SS197SR), FN (SS195, SS190, SS198), Federal (American Eagle 40gr TMJ), Elite (various loads), Clark Custom ammo (various loads), DAS (various loads), and a few other small specialty companies.
I see no advantage at all only lots of disadvantages.
The ONLY quantifiable disadvantage i can see is that 5.7mm is expensive.Last edited by Valorius; September 1st, 2012 at 10:11 PM.
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September 1st, 2012, 10:13 PM #79
Re: 5.56 vs. 7.62x39
I think you have to own a 5.7 to be considered a fanboy. I just try and keep an open mind and not assume that my way is the only way. I didn't care much about the 5.7 until I read a few of Valorious' posts. If the information is valid, why wouldn't you listen to it?
Case in point, folks were initially resistant to change from the M14 to the M16. Who the hell wants a plastic gun and smaller caliber when they can get a rugged, all wood and metal rifle like the M14 chambered in the larger .30 cal? I don't think they could've predicted the how widely popular the AR platform would become.
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