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    Default denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    I was denied the purchase of long rifle at local sporting goods. Sent challenge and due to a DUI in 2000, I was informed i was prohibited under fed law 18 USC ss (g) (1). I do have a third dui in 2000 which pa title 75 ss 3731 (a) (1) does state that a third conviction is M1. However in 2000 the law used a matrix grading system to determine minimum and maxim. Not an statutory max of 5 years. My docket and other court papers show my min is 6 months and max is 12 months. Under the federal law, do they go by grading or by sentencing court judgement?

    this has been mentioned before, anyone find an answer?

    I do have electronic copy of everything including matrix on docket
    Last edited by phenix; August 15th, 2012 at 06:39 PM. Reason: grading or by sentencing should be grading or by stautory

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    I don't know about the details of the grading system at the time of your last conviction, but under current law having three DUI convictions on your record within a five-year pediod appears to be prohibiting regardless of the maximum possible sentence. Perhaps that's your problem?

    18 Pa.C.S. § 6105: Persons not to possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms
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    (c) Other persons.--In addition to any person who has been convicted of any offense listed under subsection (b), the following persons shall be subject to the prohibition of subsection (a):
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    (3) A person who has been convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol or controlled substance as provided in 75 Pa.C.S. § 3802 (relating to driving under influence of alcohol or controlled substance) or the former 75 Pa.C.S. § 3731, on three or more separate occasions within a five-year period. For the purposes of this paragraph only, the prohibition of subsection (a) shall only apply to transfers or purchases of firearms after the third conviction
    Last edited by twency; August 16th, 2012 at 12:04 AM. Reason: Noted the 5-year aspect of the statute in my comments
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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    After the first two DUI convictions you did not learn a lesson? Three DUIs in five years ?
    IMHO it is a good thing to disqualify poor misunderstood people who cannot control their boozing from owning firearms.....
    Last edited by Ivan; August 15th, 2012 at 11:17 PM. Reason: deleted drunken morons

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    was the alcohol worth it?

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan View Post
    After the first two DUI convictions you did not learn a lesson? Three DUIs in five years ?
    IMHO it is a good thing to disqualify drunken morons from owning firearms.....
    Name calling on the forum is prohibited and you did sign the user agreement.

    Second, I would like to point a few things out. I suspect you buy into the whole DUI is bad thing. I suspect you buy into the whole civil rights and freedom thing. Now, please explain to me how civil rights and freedom ideology is compatable with DUI laws without damage or injury to another?

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post
    explain to me how civil rights and freedom ideology is compatable with DUI laws without damage or injury to another?
    because the "another" is the State itself; that's the damaged party- and therefore the Plaintiff as well. often the term "injures the peace and dignity of the commonwealth" or similar.

    the government has the power to regulate and punish threats to the public order- "drunk driving" has been determined to be against that interest.

    i have no personal dog in this fight either way, just breakin it down... but generally, most of us would be unhappy if someone does something possibly dangerous to the rest of, like fire randomly into the air in the middle of town, even if no one got hurt. think about the first thing you say to a kid that survives something risky and stupid- "you could have gotten killed" or "you could have killed us".... etc

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan View Post
    After the first two DUI convictions you did not learn a lesson? Three DUIs in five years ?
    IMHO it is a good thing to disqualify drunken morons from owning firearms.....
    The guy joined the boards and asked a question. He's here looking for help. Whether or not you like it, he deserves to ask a question without being ridiculed. If he starts debating how fair the law is, then chime in. Until then, read the forum rules.

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    It does appear that you fall under the prohibited persons listing. The only way around this is to get a pardon. Best to talk to a lawyer about it.
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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdawgbeav View Post
    It does appear that you fall under the prohibited persons listing. The only way around this is to get a pardon. Best to talk to a lawyer about it.
    Yeah, pretty sure M1's don't ever go away unless you get a pardon, so basically he's screwed.

    He'd be better off talking to a lawyer than me though.

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    Default Re: denied for m1 third and last dui in 2000

    My humble apologies for violating the forum rules.
    Will withdraw my statement regarding drunken morons.
    Someone near and dear to me was KILLED by a drunken driver.
    The drunk had a prior DUI and did not modify his behavoir,rather he just continued on his path leading to death for an innocent.

    All this talk of civil rights neglects to mention a citizen's responsabilities for a civil society. One of those is not driving around on public highway DRUNK.

    Do we not have rules for the range regarding shooting while intoxicated ?

    When driving a car it is like a missle or projectile. When drunk,the driver cannot control it as he(or she) should.

    I have zero sympathy for the OP. If he got busted 3 times in 5 years for drunk driving then it shows a pattern of irresponsable behavoir.
    How many times were you driving drunk and did not get caught ?
    Are you the same guy who might show up at the range with a "good buzz on" and start shooting carelessly ?
    Are you the same guy who goes hunting with a bottle of booze in his pocket and winds up drunk ,passed out before noon?

    Sounds like the real issue for the OP is not that he cannot buy a rifle.
    The real issue is he needs to control his drinking !

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