0.00 BAC?

[1iarrowking]

It won't get really good until we add in the debates about caliber, OC vs. CC, and turning over your ID to police upon request. (With side arguments about "license" vs. "permit" as well as the legality of transporting firearms out of PRNJ with the intent of carrying in PA.)

You just keep coming with the great posts. I tried to rep you but I must spread the love first.

[xtcalls]

Sounds like you had the same instructor as me..he directed it at Pa carry

[MostlyHarmless]

I guess the police in your area haven't been following current policy, they're now required to get a retinal scan as well as a Colonic map.

Obviously this is a joke, for now

I also have never seen them using the RFID scanners. You know, the same things the vets and ASPCA have for those tiny RFID tags you can put subcutaneous on your pet? My cat has one of them. Feels like a cumin seed in the skin between her shoulder blades. Anyhow, I guess not many people have them yet, so the cops don't bother scanning.


Jan

[tvtog]

Thanks for the responses. The answers seem to fall exactly where I expected.

I will clarify for some, however. I was not asking about Utah. I was asking about PA.

The instructor of the Utah class very clearly DID NOT say threshold of legality when carrying is the same as the threshold for driving. He very clearly said the threshold for legal carry in Utah is 0.00. He very clearly said this was not a smart choice....it is the law. He very clearly said that in Utah there is a legal "zero tolerance" to carrying while consuming alcohol.

I wasn't really into a debate of "should ya? would ya?"
Just want to know if legally "could ya?" in Pennsylvania.

btw...the Utah class was taught by Lethal Force/Josh Clines in Coraopolis.
And if I misunderstood....then everyone around me did as well.
Josh....if you're on here (as I suspect you might) feel free to correct me.

Just looking for clarity here.

[vavulaka]

Just let me be devil's advocate for a moment.

Why would you endanger those around you by carrying a handgun and then having anything that might impair your judgment or affect your aim in your system?

A gun is not a car, if you've had one two many, you call a cab, get a ride home, do whatever. If you're half way to drunk, and you're concealed carrying, are you gonna hand the gun over to a designated carrier? Uh, no.

Why risk the lives of anyone around you by being impaired and carrying? I just don't get that, and while .04 might not be legally intoxicated, I guarantee you you've got slower reflexes, your aim is affected, and you may not be able to properly assess risk. Legal? I really don't know. Prudent? Not in my book.

And before anyone tells me to climb off my soapbox, I do carry, and I don't drink, so the issue would never come up for me.

No need to get on this guys case. He explained that he's not talking about getting impaired. He explained that he's wondering if having a glass of wine while carrying is against PA law.

The simple answer is - No, there's no law prohibiting drinking while carrying.

Will you be impaired if you have a glass of wine? - Potentially

There are too many variables to discuss when talking about drinking. Rate of consumption, kind of alcohol, body type, gender, muscle mass, metabolism etc.

Point is, this guy is asking for a black or while LEGAL perspective. Our opinions (as valuable as they all are) are just that - opinions. Alcohols effects us very differently. I bartended all through college and saw this firsthand.

So OP, you're safe to drink in PA. Please exercise your best judgment, know your body and your limits. Just keep in mind, if you have to use your weapon to defend yourself - think what the papers will say "Drunk guy at a bar uses a gun during a scuffle". Unfortunately it won't matter if you had 20 beers or a sip of wine at that time. Alcohol in your system - you get crucified by the press as an irresponsible gun owner.

[Kine]

I know some won't agree with me on this one but given my situation and location i have the opportunity to practice while having had drinks. Most people may not find themselves in such a position but being an eagle scout i have a NEED to be prepared, always. I do not drink often so I'm a bit of a "light weight" and i rarely drink more than 3-4 beers because anymore, for me, has a quick cessation on fun. Also, I practice on a large farm with a large cut hill as a lead catcher in a small valley so if alone it is "safe" to fire in any direction but up (a luxury i don't take for granted). Sooo, this weekend (before having read this thread) i decided to see how I was doing after said 3 beers. The attached image is the target i was going for. Its not my first time with such a practice and I DO NOT reccomend anyone try this unless they have such an area where the only person that could get hurt is yourself. I don't think i did THAT bad considering the circumstances but its a good indication of how aim is changed (for me personally) those 2 strays usually arent there.Before the flames, i DON'T plan on firing "drank" in any other situation and i DON'T frequent bars, if i do its for the food and a single drink (just not my scene). The impared judgement is obvious as i hung the target upside down... so one has to think... even if you can hit the target impared, you still probably didn't think it though

8 rounds fired from an XDM 3.8 compact .40SW @ 15 yrds w/ remington UMC 180g JHP.

[MostlyHarmless]

I know some won't agree with me on this one but given my situation and location i have the opportunity to practice while having had drinks.

Thanks for sharing.

You said that 3-4 is pretty much your limit and with 3 beer, you're right there. It would be interesting if there is already a noticeable difference after for example having one beer with a meal.


Jan

[streaker69]

While being able to hit your target is part of the issue while drinking, I believe the bigger issue is if you're impaired are you going to have the correct judgement in drawing the firearm if needed. I'm not saying that it's right, just saying I believe that's part of the thought process. People do stupid stuff while drunk, I'm pretty sure that's been proven time and again.

[MostlyHarmless]

I know people who have better judgement when intoxicated, than some completely sober drivers who claim to have been cut off.

Not saying that drinking and drawing is a good thing or that drinking doesn't affect judgment. But there are people who can actually take into account that they had a couple and eventually start thinking twice.


Jan

[internet troll]

People do stupid stuff while drunk, I'm pretty sure that's been proven time and again.

Yeah, but the best stories often start with "we were drunk and....."