York City Police Department to Deploy Automatic License Plate Scanners

[streaker69]

The type of RFID tags that they could put on a license plate would still be limited to the inactive variety put in pets and such as you noted. However, even with a really awesome antenna, you are still limited to maybe a foot or two range under the best of conditions.

It would seem there's one developed that can read passive tags at 35M.

http://www.omni-id.com/products/RFID_tags-ultra.php

RFID Tag Applications

With its breakthrough read distance, the Ultra passive UHF RFID tag provides a more affordable solution for applications which previously required active tags:
Automotive tracking and security
Military asset tracking Cargo and container tracking
Transportation and logistics Airline unit load devices
Construction and heavy machinery

Even if the range is only 10 meters, that more than enough to be used at traffic lights or toll booths.

[streaker69]

Bill on RFID tracking was introduced in the Texas House in 2005 and was left to die.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/billloo...=HB2893&Sort=A

Which is good, technology is improving every day, expect something like it to come up again, probably at the federal level.

[Sniper061]

It would seem there's one developed that can read passive tags at 35M.

http://www.omni-id.com/products/RFID_tags-ultra.php



Even if the range is only 10 meters, that more than enough to be used at traffic lights or toll booths.

That is a tag, not a reader itself. Did you see the size of it though?

210 mm × 110 mm × 20.8 mm – 8.26 in × 4.33 in × 0.82 in

That's pretty big for someone to ask to put on your car. Now, granted, I'm not saying that at some point even small RFID tags can be read from a distance but right now and even in the future for the next 5-10 years it just isn't feasible. Even then, RFID tags like the one you pointed out are rather expensive ($50-$100 per tag is my guess) and will remain so due to the materials used in their construction. So even when the time comes where these tags can be easily read, the cost of the tags will have to be justified at the state level. Some states may buy into it but I would see a lot of pressure against such a measure.

[streaker69]

That is a tag, not a reader itself. Did you see the size of it though?

210 mm × 110 mm × 20.8 mm – 8.26 in × 4.33 in × 0.82 in

That's pretty big for someone to ask to put on your car. Now, granted, I'm not saying that at some point even small RFID tags can be read from a distance but right now and even in the future for the next 5-10 years it just isn't feasible. Even then, RFID tags like the one you pointed out are rather expensive ($50-$100 per tag is my guess) and will remain so due to the materials used in their construction. So even when the time comes where these tags can be easily read, the cost of the tags will have to be justified at the state level. Some states may buy into it but I would see a lot of pressure against such a measure.

The state won't care about the cost of them. It'll be just like inspection stickers and emission testing, it will be YOUR responsibility to purchase them, and failure to do so will mean you cannot drive.

But enough of that talk, I don't want to Hi-jack Shomari's thread, I was just curious if anyone else had heard about them, and I believe that question has been answered.

[ImminentDanger]

Issues like these are a result of the PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOM being traded for the EFFICIENCY OF ENFORCEMENT.... because it turns the old saying 180* on it's head --- now we have "IT'S BETTER THAT 99 INNOCENT PEOPLE LOSE THEIR PRIVACY RIGHTS THAN THAT ONE TAX CRIMINAL BE UNCAUGHT" ....

It's exactly for this reason that I rail so often on this board about people (especially within our own gun community) who are willing to trade freedom for convenience or accept that hassling those who exercise their rights may be OK some times...

We are heading for the Hi-Tech Socialist Communism that the Soviets could only dream about ---- We are charging ahead, perhaps in a race with China, to be the first country to implement every form of orifice exams possible in every circumstance possible on every citizen possible...!!!

Freedom as the Founder's envisioned will continue to recede into lost history, never to be implemented better than has already occured in our past --- we have already passed the point of no return regarding Freedom --- the only effort now is to minimize the extremes to which people in power will push technology in implementing Socialist Communism against others....

Sad .... Very Sad ..

...

[Shomari]

There's been more action, and some news is soon to follow pending imminent release of the York City Police Department's license plate scanner policy.

http://yorklp.org/scanners-policy

Hope this posting finds everyone in good health and spirits. Comments always welcome.

[Adam-12]

I bet the Krauts would have given their left nut for this technology.

+1. Their right nut, too. Slightly used, because seeing the technology would make them immediately bust a nut.

[Chazman321]

How is Michael Helfrich still on city council in the first place? Didn't he plead guilty to a felony? Making him unable to hold public office?

-Chaz

[Adam-12]

so what you're saying is that a national effort is underway to track movements nationwide.

Yes, exactly. I was just commenting to my wife, "Although we're already a police state, by many definitions, we will officially be the Fourth Reich when we adopt internal passports." This technology can, and eventually will, take the place of internal passports: nobody will say, "Your papers, bitte," but they won't have to; they'll know every car that crosses every state line. If they're especially interested in you, a state trooper's screen will flash a couple miles up the road, and he'll pull you over and tell you you were "driving erratically" or something.

[Shomari]

How is Michael Helfrich still on city council in the first place? Didn't he plead guilty to a felony? Making him unable to hold public office?

-Chaz

That's another topic and thread altogether. As to this police technology fetish being part of a national trend, part of the work we're doing in York is to prevent the police department from both using fusion center reports and hot lists with the license plate scanners, and also trying to keep them from using scanners to generate reports on innocent citizens and subsequently sharing that data through fusion centers.

http://uprisingradio.org/home/2012/1...n-do-about-it/