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    Default US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Just listened to a radio interview with Dick Morris.

    Should the president sign any agreement with the UN in regard to the gun treaty, according to the Geneva Convention, the US Senate would not need to vote on it in order for it to become the "law of the land" of the signatory country. It would only take the signature of the president. And since Harry Reid decides what gets put on the calendar to be voted on, it would never come up for a vote in the Senate and therefore become defacto law.

    Is it time yet?

    Watch the short video in total before commenting. Very interesting.

    http://www.dickmorris.com/un-shelves...v-lunch-alert/
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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    The US is not a signatory of the Geneva Convention.
    We wrote it, we adhere to it, but we never signed it.

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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Did you watch the video? Morris does a better job at explaining it than I have.
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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    I can't watch it, I am at work.
    What I can do is read what you quoted...
    for it to become the "law of the land" of the signatory country
    Fist off, the US is not a signatory country.
    We never have been.
    Second, no international treaty can superceed the US constitution.
    International law only applies in 2 places; in international territory, or in a country that agrees that it applies in that country.

    I am not making the case that this treaty is not very dangerous, I am just saying Dick Morris is wrong if his argument is predicated on the US being a signitory to the Geneva Convention.

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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionboyj View Post
    I can't watch it, I am at work.
    What I can do is read what you quoted...

    Fist off, the US is not a signatory country.
    We never have been.
    Second, no international treaty can superceed the US constitution.
    International law only applies in 2 places; in international territory, or in a country that agrees that it applies in that country.

    I am not making the case that this treaty is not very dangerous, I am just saying Dick Morris is wrong if his argument is predicated on the US being a signitory to the Geneva Convention.
    When you get a chance, watch the video. I'm missing something in the translation. It's not predicated on that, but does present an interesting scenario if The One wins reelection. I'm not doing it justice. You gotta watch it.
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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Where was it again that oMao paid attention to the Constitution??
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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionboyj View Post
    The US is not a signatory of the Geneva Convention.
    We wrote it, we adhere to it, but we never signed it.
    Morris is talking about the Vienna convention, not the Geneva convention. It is a treaty we signed (The Treaty of Treaties) that would enforce any new treaty that the President has signed but that the Senate has NOT rejected. In this scenario, if Obama signs the treaty and Harry Reid does not bring it up for a vote, then it is de facto in effect until either the senate votes to not ratify or the new president renounces Obama's signature. It is conceivable that Obama is reelected and Republicans do not win back the Senate. In that case, senators do not have to vote to ratify or not ratify and given Reid's past history, he would let it fester in committee for four years (or at least two) while the treaty could legally (according to international law) be enforced by the UN. Senators would be happy they did not have to stick their necks out.
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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by Coops View Post
    Morris is talking about the Vienna convention, not the Geneva convention. It is a treaty we signed (The Treaty of Treaties) that would enforce any new treaty that the President has signed but that the Senate has NOT rejected. In this scenario, if Obama signs the treaty and Harry Reid does not bring it up for a vote, then it is de facto in effect until either the senate votes to not ratify or the new president renounces Obama's signature. It is conceivable that Obama is reelected and Republicans do not win back the Senate. In that case, senators do not have to vote to ratify or not ratify and given Reid's past history, he would let it fester in committee for four years (or at least two) while the treaty could legally (according to international law) be enforced by the UN. Senators would be happy they did not have to stick their necks out.
    I can see his argument, but that is not how our governemnt works.
    No matter what the Vienna treaty says.
    Any treaty not validated by our senate means nothing to the US.
    The Vienna traty did not change the constitution, even if it meant to.

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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionboyj View Post
    I can see his argument, but that is not how our governemnt works.
    But, if Obama is re-elected it won't be our government! It shall be his!


    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".

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    Default Re: US Senate does NOT have to vote on the UN Gun treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by Brick View Post
    But, if Obama is re-elected it won't be our government! It shall be his!
    ...But for how long?

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