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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    A letter with an Attorney's name on top would get their attention right quick.
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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    While were on the subject of state agencies in Lehigh county, the PA CareerLink office has signs posted about being under watch of the PSP and there are no weapons allowed. I didn't get a pic because I had left my phone in the car as I was there to take a Civil Service exam and I knew they don't allow phones in the exam room.

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    i'm hoping i don't get my LTCF revoked over this.... would they be able to have that done if they called and whined to the cops about it? or is this nothing to worry about? i didn't break any laws, but you know how some people are

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    Quote Originally Posted by SnowKitty View Post
    i'm hoping i don't get my LTCF revoked over this.... would they be able to have that done if they called and whined to the cops about it? or is this nothing to worry about? i didn't break any laws, but you know how some people are
    nothing in your op shows a revokeable action so I wouldn't worry.

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    Quote Originally Posted by SnowKitty View Post
    i'm hoping i don't get my LTCF revoked over this.... would they be able to have that done if they called and whined to the cops about it? or is this nothing to worry about? i didn't break any laws, but you know how some people are
    Since I'm pretty sure this is a contractor office they get to make the rules. If you're asked to leave and don't they can charge trespassing.

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    Quote Originally Posted by Exbiker View Post
    Since I'm pretty sure this is a contractor office they get to make the rules. If you're asked to leave and don't they can charge trespassing.
    they didn't ask me to leave, only to go put my weapon in the car.

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    IANAL

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    Look at my earlier post. Building owner is not the state and I believe the office is run by John Yuroconic an independent contractor. Although I don't know I'd bet the lease is in the contractor's name.

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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    Building owner is not the state and I believe the office is run by John Yuroconic an independent contractor. Although I don't know I'd bet the lease is in the contractor's name.
    He was not told to disarm by a representative of John Yuroconic, he was told to disarm by PennDOT employees. The building owner is another matter entirely, and I will deal with that if/when it becomes important. As of right now the building owner has not become involved.



    edit; I question the legality of PennDOT's lease if one of the stipulations of the lease is a ban on possession of firearms on premises, as that becomes a de facto preemption violation against people who need to utilize this PennDOT facility.
    Last edited by General Geoff; July 19th, 2012 at 06:17 PM.
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    Default Re: forced to disarm at Lehigh Valley Driver License Center

    Quote Originally Posted by Exbiker View Post
    Look at my earlier post. Building owner is not the state and I believe the office is run by John Yuroconic an independent contractor. Although I don't know I'd bet the lease is in the contractor's name.
    The General's posts and my response was with respect to a state agency preemption or lack of it. IMO PennDOT may not be preempted.

    The issue you raise is of a different ilk. In general, authority to create conditions of entry by a private party lessee is usually well established (subject to lease terms). When that lessee is performing a state function it's not as clear that they don't inherit some or all of the restrictions of the Government sponsor.
    IANAL

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