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    Default PD round for a short barrel 1911

    Debated whether to put this in the ammo section or here...mods move if another forum is more appropriate.

    I am in the middle of purchasing my first 1911 and have some questions about ammo. I will have an "officer's" 3.5" barrel Citadel 1911 as soon as it comes in. I know that the original 5" barrel 1911 was designed to use 230gr ammunition. Since the 3.5" barrel is significantly shorter than the original 5" barrel I have heard that the normal 230gr personal defense rounds will not accumulate enough velocity for proper expansion out of the shorter barrel. I have searched the net and have gone through a few pages on here and other sights for a definitive answer on what is the proper weight for a personal defense round for this model of 1911. I have seen a lot of opinions but nothing about actual ballistics that support those opinions. Can somebody point me in the right direction on where to get this information? So far I have heard to use a lighter weight round (185gr) out of this barrel length to increase velocity for proper expansion. While this makes sense, I was hoping there was a cut and dry answer to this question.

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    There is no real cut and dry here. The shorter barrels tend to perform better with the higher velocity 185-200 grain hollow points. I personally prefer the 200 grain rounds myself, as I think its the best combination between weight and velocity. I am sure there are those who would disagree, which is why I said it's not cut and dry

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...box-of-20.html

    My personal preference for 4" or less in this combination.
    Last edited by DClan; July 5th, 2012 at 01:38 AM.

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    I carry Speer Gold Dot 230 grain in every .45 I own, regardless of barrel length. While it will be slower coming out of a shorter barrel, I highly doubt that the bullet is going to bounce off an attacker. Just my two cents.
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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    Speer makes Gold Dot .45 ACP 230 grain SHORT BARREL rounds

    Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection - 45 Auto

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    What about powerball? I think that would make a good reliable powerful PD round for a short barrel 1911.

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    Some info you may find interesting: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto.html
    Also for those interested in history Browning original 1902 military design was for a 200 gr bullet:
    http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/background.htm
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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    With the rep a lot of small sub 4" 1911s have I would advise to make sure you run plenty of rounds. (both FMJ and carry ammo)

    I'm not really a big fan of Corbon Powerball as far as terminal ballistics and price per round go, however if you have a gun that is a picky eater the Powerball has a nice round profile which will help feeding.

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    Quote Originally Posted by dkf View Post
    With the rep a lot of small sub 4" 1911s have I would advise to make sure you run plenty of rounds. (both FMJ and carry ammo)

    I'm not really a big fan of Corbon Powerball as far as terminal ballistics and price per round go, however if you have a gun that is a picky eater the Powerball has a nice round profile which will help feeding.
    I plan on it

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    Quote Originally Posted by cephas View Post
    Some info you may find interesting: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto.html
    Also for those interested in history Browning original 1902 military design was for a 200 gr bullet:
    http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/background.htm
    This is an interesting graph to read. Wish they had more ammo on there, but this is a great start!

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    Default Re: PD round for a short barrel 1911

    I don't know about officer's size 1911s but for SD/executive protection in my gov't model I use:

    1. Winchester PDX1 Defender, 230 grain

    2. Gold Dot 230 grain

    3. Hornady Critical Defense 185 grain

    4. Remmington Golden Sabre 185 grain

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