Suspension of PA Constitution?

**Morel42** · February 22nd, 2008, 02:54 PM

Lets face it..

If the shit does hit the fan in such a dramatic, large scale event.. It won't be the supreme court, or state goverements, that will ultimately decide what happens.

It's the Miltary and the Police forces. If they say they won't follow illegal orders, great.. But if Martial law is declared, and they start rolling APC's..

Well, thats another whole direction completely.

**Dave in PA** · February 22nd, 2008, 09:04 PM

And that is one scary proposition!

**Rule10b5** · February 23rd, 2008, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by knight0334

Come on, say it... due to the War of Northern Aggression. lol

Ok, now that was fucking funny! And I do use that phrase -- but only since I moved up North, and only for the amusement value.

And the Constitution, as a simple matter of reality and practice, is not inviolable. While a lot of folks are pointing to Lincoln (and the suspension of HC, among other things), I'd like to remind you of what happened in Worcester v. Georgia. Basically, the Supreme Court reached a decision, and the executive branch refused to enforce it. President Jackson is widely believe to have said "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!" The quote is probably nonsense -- but the principle is absolutely correct: the Constitution was violated by the government's refusal to enforce a decision of its highest court. And nobody gave a damn -- because the decision reached by the Marshall court was unpopular.

And it's gone the other way, too -- hundreds if not thousands of times -- with the Court ignoring the plain language of the Constitution to reach a desired political result.

I know it's depressing, but I realized a long time ago that the law (and the opinion of every judge) isn't about what's explicit or actually right -- it's about the result that the judge and the politicians want to be reached. They've got the guns -- there's nothing you can do but vote and hope.

Pick a result, and craft your opinion to reach it. Every judge does it every day, in every case. And any judge who says he hasn't is absolutely, positively full of it.

**fultonCoShooter** · February 23rd, 2008, 05:20 AM

If you think this country is run by By people who believe in the constitution. you my friend are mistaken to the people in power its just a piece of paper.

where was the 2A in New Orleans? it was disregarded

it happened once it will happen again

**bert304** · February 23rd, 2008, 09:29 AM

That is a very scary. I agree with FultonCoShooter about people who run this Country all they believe in is crude oil.

**sluggie24** · February 23rd, 2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by bert304

That is a very scary. I agree with FultonCoShooter about people who run this Country all they believe in is crude oil.

I don't know if you can say it is all about oil........but I think you can say it is all about money........and power

**bert304** · February 23rd, 2008, 12:23 PM

Sluggie24 That is correct all they care about is money but Our money is not backed by gold any more so it would be gold and oil, the currency of the world.