open carry at the green dragon

[shadyduk1979]

Good morning, I am down visiting from ma and was thinking about open carrying while I am here. Living in ma has made me afraid to do it, but what say all of you? I do have a pa ltc.

[streaker69]

Honestly, I don't know how people up there are going to react. Remember though there's a lot of NY/NJ tourist buses that come there, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone called in a MWAG. I'll listen to the scanner for the call.

[shadyduk1979]

Ok ill pass there then. Who knew that a taste of freedom would be so scary. I'll chalk this up as a life lesson, and fight harder to get our freedom back at home. When we leave there ill switch I guess.

[gnbrotz]

I OC'd there in January of this year with no issues.

[Yellowfin]

I OC'd there in January of this year with no issues.

I'm guessing that's when there are zero tourists here. I'm curious about this as well as I would prefer to OC since my current carry gun feels like a boat anchor in a IWB holster after a few hours and I'm getting weary of having to have my shirt untucked for 100% of my wardrobe options.

[The Unknown 1087]

Well I host the Northest PD feed. So if anyone runs into any issues I can give copies of the PD audio haha. I dont OC there when I go, but I print badly.

[DaCowboyJesus]

For what it's worth, I do all my grocery shopping at green dragon or Roots and have not had a problem with OC at either. Actually most OC encounters I have had throughout Lancaster County have been positive.

[markt]

As long as you stay outside you will be legal. If you go inside any buildings (or vehicle) without a PA LTCF, you will be considered to be concealing a firearm and can be arrested.

[twency]

As long as you stay outside you will be legal. If you go inside any buildings (or vehicle) without a PA LTCF, you will be considered to be concealing a firearm and can be arrested.

Going inside a building OCing does not make a firearm concealed, and does not require a license.

Transporting a firearm in a vehicle requires a license (from any state) but is not "considered to be concealing", it is carry "in any vehicle" per the PA statutes. One of the chief distinctions between carrying concealed on or about one's person vs. carrying in a vehicle is that vehicle "carry" (transport, on or off-body) may be done with a license from any state while concealed carry with an out-of-state license is limited to state PA has reciprocity with.

Anyway, the OP said he had a PA license to carry so all of these concerns are irrelevant to him.

[tl_3237]

As long as you stay outside you will be legal. If you go inside any buildings (or vehicle) without a PA LTCF, you will be considered to be concealing a firearm and can be arrested.

Neither in a vehicle nor in a building is deterministic as to whether a firearm is concealed. It relies more on the 'observability' of the firearm to a passer-by.
From another thread:

I'm unaware of any statutory or case law tat provides a clear definition in Pa. FWIW when a court seeks a definition that is not provided by state or case laws they can, and do, reach out to statutes in other states to formulate definitions for use in the case at hand.

From the actual, active statute contained in the North Dakota Century Code 62.1-04-01.:

Definition of concealed.
A firearm or dangerous weapon is concealed if it is carried in such a manner as to not be
discernible by the ordinary observation of a passerby. There is no requirement that there be
absolute invisibility of the firearm or dangerous weapon, merely that it not be ordinarily
discernible. A firearm or dangerous weapon is considered concealed if it is not secured, and is
worn under clothing or carried in a bundle that is held or carried by the individual, or transported
in a vehicle under the individual's control or direction and available to the individual, including
beneath the seat or in a glove compartment. A firearm or dangerous weapon is not considered
concealed if it is:
1. Carried in a belt holster which is wholly or substantially visible or carried in a case
designed for carrying a firearm or dangerous weapon and which is wholly or
substantially visible;
2. Locked in a closed trunk or luggage compartment of a motor vehicle;
3. Carried in the field while lawfully engaged in hunting, trapping, or target shooting,
whether visible or not; or
4. Carried by any person permitted by law to possess a handgun unloaded and in a
secure wrapper from the place of purchase to that person's home or place of business,
or to a place of repair, or back from those locations.
5. A bow and arrow, an unloaded rifle or shotgun, or an unloaded weapon that will expel,
or is readily capable of expelling, a projectile by the action of a spring, compressed air,
or compressed gas including any such weapon commonly referred to as a BB gun, air
rifle, or CO2 gun, while carried in a motor vehicle.

From Black's Law Dictionary (4th Edition):

CONCEAL. To hide; secrete; withhold from the
knowledge of others; to withdraw from observation;
to withhold from utterance or declaration;
to cover or keep from sight. Hopper v. Hopkins,
162 Md. 448, 160 A. 166, 167.
The synonyms of conceal are "to hide; disguise, dissemble;
secrete." To hide is generic; "conceal" is simply
not to make known what we wish to secrete; disguise or
dissemble is to conceal by assuming some false appearance;
to secrete is to hide in some place of secrecy. A man may
conceal facts, disguise his sentiments, dissemble his feelings,
or secrete stolen goods. Darneal v. State, 14 Oki.Cr.
540, 174 P. 290, 292, 1 A.L.R. 638.
The word "conceal," according to the best lexicographers,
signifies to withhold or keep secret mental facts from
another's knowledge, as well as to hide or secrete physical
objects from sight or observation. Gerry v. Dunham, 57
Me. 339.