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    Default Corrupt organizations....Pagans?

    Can a full member of the Pagans get a LTCF ? Can they buy a Firearm in PA ?

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    Merely a social club aka fraternity that enjoys motorcycles. Why shouldn't they be able as long as they meet the current standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exbiker View Post
    Merely a social club aka fraternity that enjoys motorcycles. Why shouldn't they be able as long as they meet the current standards.

    Well the gov. may have a different perspective given their historical criminal activity. The word GANG comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exbiker View Post
    Merely a social club aka fraternity that enjoys motorcycles. Why shouldn't they be able as long as they meet the current standards.
    A social club like MS-13 or the Gambinos ? The question is are the Pagans considered a corrupt organization under PA law.

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    Alot of the members that I know or knew in the past would have had no problem getting their ltcf.
    Being a part of an orginazation dosen't automaticly perclude you from getting one.
    Some people just plain suck.
    If you're gonna be dumb ya gotta be tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinevet26 View Post
    A social club like MS-13 or the Gambinos ? The question is are the Pagans considered a corrupt organization under PA law.
    A question for a different area of the internet maybe? This is a gun forum.
    Some people just plain suck.
    If you're gonna be dumb ya gotta be tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinevet26 View Post
    A social club like MS-13 or the Gambinos ? The question is are the Pagans considered a corrupt organization under PA law.
    Can you please cite the statutory definition of "corrupt organization" in PA, as well as citing how being a known member of such an organization is a disqualifier for owning and/or possessing/carrying firearms?
    Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Can you please cite the statutory definition of "corrupt organization" in PA, as well as citing how being a known member of such an organization is a disqualifier for owning and/or possessing/carrying firearms?
    I'm not sure about the statutory definition of a corrupt organization, but you know how the sheriffs are, if they knew you were a member, they could disqualify you on the reputation clause.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Ask and you shall receive.

    § 911. Corrupt organizations.
    (a) Findings of fact.--The General Assembly finds that:
    (1) organized crime is a highly sophisticated,
    diversified, and widespread phenomenon which annually drains
    billions of dollars from the national economy by various
    patterns of unlawful conduct including the illegal use of
    force, fraud, and corruption;
    (2) organized crime exists on a large scale within the
    Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, engaging in the same patterns
    of unlawful conduct which characterize its activities
    nationally;
    (3) the vast amounts of money and power accumulated by
    organized crime are increasingly used to infiltrate and
    corrupt legitimate businesses operating within the
    Commonwealth, together with all of the techniques of
    violence, intimidation, and other forms of unlawful conduct
    through which such money and power are derived;
    (4) in furtherance of such infiltration and corruption,
    organized crime utilizes and applies to its unlawful purposes
    laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania conferring and
    relating to the privilege of engaging in various types of
    business and designed to insure that such businesses are
    conducted in furtherance of the public interest and the
    general economic welfare of the Commonwealth;
    (5) such infiltration and corruption provide an outlet
    for illegally obtained capital, harm innocent investors,
    entrepreneurs, merchants and consumers, interfere with free
    competition, and thereby constitute a substantial danger to
    the economic and general welfare of the Commonwealth of
    Pennsylvania; and
    (6) in order to successfully resist and eliminate this
    situation, it is necessary to provide new remedies and
    procedures.
    (b) Prohibited activities.--
    (1) It shall be unlawful for any person who has received
    any income derived, directly or indirectly, from a pattern of
    racketeering activity in which such person participated as a
    principal, to use or invest, directly or indirectly, any part
    of such income, or the proceeds of such income, in the
    acquisition of any interest in, or the establishment or
    operation of, any enterprise: Provided, however, That a
    purchase of securities on the open market for purposes of
    investment, and without the intention of controlling or
    participating in the control of the issuer, or of assisting
    another to do so, shall not be unlawful under this subsection
    if the securities of the issue held by the purchaser, the
    members of his immediate family, and his or their accomplices
    in any pattern of racketeering activity after such purchase,
    do not amount in the aggregate to 1% of the outstanding
    securities of any one class, and do not confer, either in law
    or in fact, the power to elect one or more directors of the
    issuer: Provided, further, That if, in any proceeding
    involving an alleged investment in violation of this
    subsection, it is established that over half of the
    defendant's aggregate income for a period of two or more
    years immediately preceding such investment was derived from
    a pattern of racketeering activity, a rebuttable presumption
    shall arise that such investment included income derived from
    such pattern of racketeering activity.
    (2) It shall be unlawful for any person through a
    pattern of racketeering activity to acquire or maintain,
    directly or indirectly, any interest in or control of any
    enterprise.
    (3) It shall be unlawful for any person employed by or
    associated with any enterprise to conduct or participate,
    directly or indirectly, in the conduct of such enterprise's
    affairs through a pattern of racketeering activity.
    (4) It shall be unlawful for any person to conspire to
    violate any of the provisions of paragraphs (1), (2) or (3)
    of this subsection.
    (c) Grading.--Whoever violates any provision of subsection
    (b) of this section is guilty of a felony of the first degree. A
    violation of this subsection shall be deemed to continue so long
    as the person who committed the violation continues to receive
    any benefit from the violation.
    (d) Civil remedies.--
    (1) The several courts of common pleas, and the
    Commonwealth Court, shall have jurisdiction to prevent and
    restrain violations of subsection (b) of this section by
    issuing appropriate orders, including but not limited to:
    (i) ordering any person to divest himself of any
    interest direct or indirect, in the enterprise; imposing
    reasonable restrictions on the future activities or
    investments of any person, including but not limited to,
    prohibiting any person from engaging in the same type of
    endeavor as the enterprise engaged in; and
    (ii) making due provision for the rights of innocent
    persons, ordering the dissolution of the enterprise,
    ordering the denial, suspension or revocation of charters
    of domestic corporations, certificates of authority
    authorizing foreign corporations to do business within
    the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, licenses, permits, or
    prior approval granted to any enterprise by any
    department or agency of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania;
    or prohibiting the enterprise from engaging in any
    business.
    (2) In any proceeding under this subsection, the court
    shall proceed as soon as practicable to the hearing and
    determination thereof. Pending final determination, the court
    may enter preliminary or special injunctions, or take such
    other actions, including the acceptance of satisfactory
    performance bonds, as it may deem proper.
    (3) A final judgment or decree rendered in favor of the
    Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in any criminal proceeding under
    this section shall estop the defendant from denying the
    essential allegations of the criminal offense in any
    subsequent civil proceeding under this subsection.
    (4) Proceedings under this subsection, at pretrial,
    trial and appellate levels, shall be governed by the
    Pennsylvania Rules of Civil Procedure and all other rules and
    procedures relating to civil actions, except to the extent
    inconsistent with the provisions of this section.
    (e) Enforcement.--
    (1) The Attorney General shall have the power and duty
    to enforce the provisions of this section, including the
    authority to issue civil investigative demands pursuant to
    subsection (f), institute proceedings under subsection (d),
    and to take such actions as may be necessary to ascertain and
    investigate alleged violations of this section.
    (2) The Attorney General and the district attorneys of
    the several counties shall have concurrent authority to
    institute criminal proceedings under the provisions of this
    section.
    (3) Nothing contained in this subsection shall be
    construed to limit the regulatory or investigative authority
    of any department or agency of the Commonwealth whose
    functions might relate to persons, enterprises, or matters
    falling within the scope of this section.
    (f) Civil investigative demand.--
    (1) Whenever the Attorney General has reason to believe
    that any person or enterprise may be in possession, custody,
    or control of any documentary material relevant to a
    racketeering investigation, he may issue in writing, and
    cause to be served upon such person or enterprise, a civil
    investigative demand requiring the production of such
    material for examination.
    (2) Each such demand shall:
    (i) state the nature of the conduct constituting the
    alleged racketeering violation which is under
    investigation, the provision of law applicable thereto
    and the connection between the documentary material
    demanded and the conduct under investigation;
    (ii) describe the class or classes of documentary
    material to be produced thereunder with such definiteness
    and certainty as to permit such material to be fairly
    identified;
    (iii) state that the demand is returnable forthwith
    or prescribe a return date which will provide a
    reasonable period of time within which the material so
    demanded may be assembled and made available for
    inspection and copying or reproduction;
    (iv) identify a racketeering investigator to whom
    such material shall be made available; and
    (v) contain the following statement printed
    conspicuously at the top of the demand: "You have the
    right to seek the assistance of any attorney and he may
    represent you in all phases of the racketeering
    investigation of which this civil investigative demand is
    a part."
    (3) No such demand shall:
    (i) contain any requirement which would be held to
    be unreasonable if contained in a subpoena duces tecum
    issued by any court in connection with a grand jury
    investigation of such alleged racketeering violation; or
    (ii) require the production of any documentary
    evidence which would be privileged from disclosure if
    demanded by a subpoena duces tecum issued by any court in
    connection with a grand jury investigation of such
    alleged racketeering violation.
    (4) Service of any such demand or any petition filed
    under this subsection shall be made in the manner prescribed
    by the Pennsylvania Rules of Civil Procedure for service of
    writs and complaints.
    "A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

    "He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34

    "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato

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    (5) A verified return by the individual serving any such
    demand or petition setting forth the manner of such service
    shall be prima facie proof of such service. In the case of
    service by registered or certified mail, such return shall be
    accompanied by the return post office receipt of delivery of
    such demand.
    (6) (i) Any party upon whom any demand issued under
    this subsection has been duly served shall make such
    material available for inspection and copying or
    reproduction to the racketeering investigator designated
    therein at the principal place of business of such party,
    or at such other place as such investigator and such
    party thereafter may agree or as the court may direct
    pursuant to this subsection, on the return date specified
    in such demand. Such party may upon agreement of the
    investigator substitute copies of all or any part of such
    material for the originals thereof.
    (ii) The racketeering investigator to whom any
    documentary material is so delivered shall take physical
    possession thereof, and shall be responsible for the use
    made thereof and for its return pursuant to this
    subsection. The investigator may cause the preparation of
    such copies of such documentary material as may be
    required for official use. While in the possession of the
    investigator, no material so produced shall be available
    for examination, without the consent of the party who
    produced such material, by any individual other than the
    Attorney General or any racketeering investigator. Under
    such reasonable terms and conditions as the Attorney
    General shall prescribe, documentary material while in
    the possession of the investigator shall be available for
    examination by the party who produced such material or
    any duly authorized representatives of such party.
    (iii) Upon completion of:
    (A) the racketeering investigation for which any
    documentary material was produced under this
    subsection; and
    (B) any case or proceeding arising from such
    investigation;
    the investigator shall return to the party who produced
    such material all such material other than copies thereof
    made pursuant to this subsection which have not passed
    into the control of any court or grand jury through
    introduction into the record of such case or proceeding.
    (iv) When any documentary material has been produced
    by any party under this subsection for use in any
    racketeering investigation, and no case or proceeding
    arising therefrom has been instituted within a reasonable
    time after completion of the examination and analysis of
    all evidence assembled in the course of such
    investigation, such party shall be entitled, upon written
    demand made upon the Attorney General, to the return of
    all documentary material, other than copies thereof made
    pursuant to this subsection, so produced by such party.
    (7) Whenever any person or enterprise fails to comply
    with any civil investigative demand duly served upon him
    under this subsection or whenever satisfactory copying or
    reproduction of any such material cannot be done and such
    party refuses to surrender such material, the Attorney
    General may file, in the court of common pleas for any county
    in which such party resides or transacts business, and serve
    upon such party a petition for an order of such court for the
    enforcement of this subsection, except that if such person
    transacts business in more than one county such petition
    shall be filed in the county in which party maintains his or
    its principal place of business.
    (8) Within 20 days after the service of any such demand
    upon any person or enterprise, or at any time before the
    return date specified in the demand, whichever period is
    shorter, such party may file, in the court of common pleas of
    the county within which such party resides or transacts
    business, and serve upon the Attorney General a petition for
    an order of such court modifying or setting aside such
    demand. The time allowed for compliance with the demand in
    whole or in part as deemed proper and ordered by the court
    shall not run during the pendency of such petition in the
    court. Such petition shall specify each ground upon which the
    petitioner relies in seeking such relief, and may be based
    upon any failure of such demand to comply with the provisions
    of this subsection or upon any constitutional or other legal
    right or privilege of such party.
    (9) At any time during which the Attorney General is in
    custody or control of any documentary material delivered by
    any party in compliance with any such demand, such party may
    file, in the court of common pleas of the county within which
    such documentary material was delivered, and serve upon the
    Attorney General a petition for an order of such court
    requiring the performance of any duty imposed by this
    subsection.
    (10) Whenever any petition is filed in any court of
    common pleas under this subsection, such court shall have
    jurisdiction to hear and determine the matter so presented,
    and, after a hearing at which all parties are represented, to
    enter such order or orders as may be required to carry into
    effect the provisions of this subsection.
    (g) Immunity.--Whenever any individual refuses, on the basis
    of his privilege against self-incrimination, to comply with a
    civil investigative demand issued pursuant to subsection (f) or
    to testify or produce other information in any proceeding under
    subsection (d), the Attorney General may invoke the provisions
    of 42 Pa.C.S. § 5947 (relating to immunity of witnesses).
    (h) Definitions.--As used in this section:
    (1) "Racketeering activity" means all of the following:
    (i) An act which is indictable under any of the
    following provisions of this title:
    Chapter 25 (relating to criminal homicide)
    Section 2706 (relating to terroristic threats)
    Chapter 29 (relating to kidnapping)
    Chapter 30 (relating to trafficking of persons)
    Chapter 33 (relating to arson, criminal mischief
    and other property destruction)
    Chapter 37 (relating to robbery)
    Chapter 39 (relating to theft and related
    offenses)
    Section 4108 (relating to commercial bribery and
    breach of duty to act disinterestedly)
    Section 4109 (relating to rigging publicly
    exhibited contest)
    Section 4117 (relating to insurance fraud)
    Chapter 47 (relating to bribery and corrupt
    influence)
    Chapter 49 (relating to falsification and
    intimidation)
    Section 5111 (relating to dealing in proceeds of
    unlawful activities)
    Section 5512 (relating to lotteries, etc.)
    Section 5513 (relating to gambling devices,
    gambling, etc.)
    Section 5514 (relating to pool selling and
    bookmaking)
    Chapter 59 (relating to public indecency).
    (ii) An offense indictable under section 13 of the
    act of April 14, 1972 (P.L.233, No.64), known as The
    Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act
    (relating to the sale and dispensing of narcotic drugs).
    (iii) A conspiracy to commit any of the offenses set
    forth in subparagraph (i), (ii) and (v).
    (iv) The collection of any money or other property
    in full or partial satisfaction of a debt which arose as
    the result of the lending of money or other property at a
    rate of interest exceeding 25% per annum or the
    equivalent rate for a longer or shorter period, where not
    otherwise authorized by law.
    (v) An offense indictable under 4 Pa.C.S. Pt. II
    (relating to gaming).
    An act which otherwise would be considered racketeering
    activity by reason of the application of this paragraph,
    shall not be excluded from its application solely because the
    operative acts took place outside the jurisdiction of this
    Commonwealth, if such acts would have been in violation of
    the law of the jurisdiction in which they occurred.
    (2) "Person" means any individual or entity capable of
    holding a legal or beneficial interest in property.
    (3) "Enterprise" means any individual, partnership,
    corporation, association or other legal entity, and any union
    or group of individuals associated in fact although not a
    legal entity, engaged in commerce and includes legitimate as
    well as illegitimate entities and governmental entities.
    (4) "Pattern of racketeering activity" refers to a
    course of conduct requiring two or more acts of racketeering
    activity one of which occurred after the effective date of
    this section.
    (5) "Racketeering investigator" means an attorney,
    investigator or investigative body so designated in writing
    by the Attorney General and charged with the duty of
    enforcing or carrying into effect the provisions of this
    section.
    (6) "Racketeering investigation" means any inquiry
    conducted by any racketeering investigator for the purpose of
    ascertaining whether any person has been involved in any
    violation of this section or of any order, judgment, or
    decree of any court duly entered in any case or proceeding
    arising under this section.
    (7) "Documentary material" means any book, paper,
    record, recording, tape, report, memorandum, written
    communication, or other document relating to the business
    affairs of any person or enterprise.
    (8) "Organized crime" means any person or combination of
    persons engaging in or having the purpose of engaging in
    conduct which violates any provision of subsection (b) and
    also includes "organized crime" as defined in section 5702
    (relating to definitions).
    (Dec. 30, 1974, P.L.1044, No.341, eff. imd.; Apr. 28, 1978,
    P.L.202, No.53, eff. 60 days; Oct. 5, 1980, P.L.693, No.142,
    eff. 60 days; Feb. 7, 1990, P.L.11, No.6, eff. 60 days; June 19,
    1996, P.L.342, No.55, eff. imd.; Nov. 1, 2006, P.L.1243, No.135,
    eff. imd.; Nov. 9, 2006, P.L.1340, No.139, eff. 60 days; Nov.
    29, 2006, P.L.1481, No.168, eff. 60 days)

    2006 Amendments. Act 135 amended subsec. (h)(1), Act 139
    amended subsec. (h)(1) and Act 168 amended subsec. (h)(1). Act
    168 overlooked the amendments by Act 135 and Act 139, but the
    amendments do not conflict in substance and have all been given
    effect in setting forth the text of subsec. (h)(1). Act 139
    overlooked the amendment by Act 135, but the amendments do not
    conflict in substance and have both been given effect in setting
    forth the text of subsec. (h)(1).
    1996 Amendment. Act 55 amended subsec. (h)(1) and (3) and
    added subsec. (h)(8).
    1990 Amendment. Act 6 amended subsec. (h).
    1980 Amendment. Act 142 amended subsec. (g).
    Cross References. Section 911 is referred to in sections
    5708, 6105 of this title; section 5552 of Title 42 (Judiciary
    and Judicial Procedure).
    "A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

    "He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34

    "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato

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