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February 8th, 2008, 04:31 AM #1Super Member
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Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting and Gunman Killed by Police
Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting; Gunman Killed by Police
Source - FoxNews.com
KIRKWOOD, Mo. — A gunman with a history of acrimony against city leaders opened fire at a council meeting Thursday night, killing two police officers and three city officials before law enforcers fatally shot him, police said.
Two police officers and three people attending the meeting were killed after the gunman rushed the council chambers and began firing, according to St. Louis County Police spokeswoman Tracy Panus. She said two others were wounded.
Panus said no names of the victims would be released until a news conference scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday. But the wounded included Mayor Mike Swoboda, who was in critical condition late Thursday in the intensive-care unit of St. John's Mercy Hospital in Creve Coeur, hospital spokesman Bill McShane said, declining to discuss the severity of the injuries. McShane said another victim, Suburban Journals newspaper reporter Todd Smith, was in satisfactory condition, but McShane didn't elaborate on his injuries.
A witness said the gunman yelled "Shoot the mayor!" as he fired shots in the council chambers, hitting Swoboda.
The gunman was fatally shot by Kirkwood police.
Panus said the gunman killed one officer outside the city hall, then walked into the chambers and shot another. He continued firing in the chambers, killing three attendees and wounding two others, she said. Names of the victims were not released.
"Tonight our fellow Missourians in the city of Kirkwood were terrorized by a senseless and horrific crime at an open government meeting," Gov. Matt Blunt said in a statement. "I join Missourians tonight in praying for the victims, their families and friends, and everyone in the community of Kirkwood."
Reporter Janet McNichols, who was covering the meeting for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, said the 7 p.m. meeting with about 30 people had just started when the shooter rushed into the council chambers and began opening fire with at least one weapon, the newspaper reported. He started yelling "shoot the mayor" while walking around and firing, hitting police officer Tom Ballman in the head, McNichols said.
The shooter then went after Public Works Director Kenneth Yost, who was sitting in front of Swoboda, and shot Yost in the head, McNichols said.
McNichols also said the shooter fired at City Attorney John Hessel, who tried to fight off the attacker by throwing chairs. The shooter then moved behind the desk where the council sits and fired more shots at council members.
The newspaper quoted McNichols as saying Swoboda, and council members Michael H.T. Lynch and Connie Karr also were hit. She identified the gunman as Charles Lee "Cookie" Thornton, a man she knows from covering the council. McNichols said Thornton was often a contentious presence; he had twice been convicted of disorderly conduct for disrupting meetings in May 2006.
Most of Thornton's ire was directed at the mayor and Yost, she said.
Dozens of emergency vehicles were on the scene and an area of several blocks was cordoned off along a busy north-south corridor around the city hall.
Kirkwood is about 20 miles southwest of downtown St. Louis, just inside the I-270 loop. City Hall is located in a quiet area filled with condominiums, eateries and shops, and is not far from a dance studio and train station.
Mary Linhares, a teacher who lives about four blocks from City Hall, described the town as quiet and eclectic after walking down to the scene with her husband.
"It's like a small town in St. Louis," Linhares told The Associated Press. "You can call it Mayberry."
Thornton was well-known at Kirkwood City Hall, often making outrageous comments at public meetings, according to a 2006 article in the weekly Webster-Kirkwood Times.
The newspaper quoted Swoboda as saying in June 2006 that Thornton's contentious remarks over the years created "one of the most embarrassing situations that I have experienced in my many years of public service."
Swoboda's comments came during a council meeting attended by Thornton two weeks after Thornton was forcibly removed from the council chambers. The mayor said at the time that the council considered banning Thornton from future meetings but decided against it.
"The city council has decided that they will not lower themselves to Mr. Thornton's level," Swoboda said at the meeting. "We will act with integrity and continue to deal with him at these council proceedings. However we will not allow Mr. Thornton, or any other person, to disrupt these proceedings."
Thornton said during the meeting that he had been issued more than 150 tickets.
Thornton twice was arrested and later convicted for disorderly conduct for outbursts at two council meetings in 2006, often convinced the city was persecuting him. When allowed to speak during one meeting, he approached the podium with a posterboard with a picture of a donkey and began making harassing remarks about Swoboda.
In a federal lawsuit stemming from those meetings, Thornton, representing himself, insisted that Kirkwood officials violated his constitutional rights to free speech by barring him from speaking at the meetings. But a federal judge in St. Louis tossed out the suit Jan. 28, writing that "any restrictions on Thornton's speech were reasonable, viewpoint neutral, and served important governmental interests."
"Thornton engaged in personal attacks against the mayor, Kirkwood, and the city council," the judge noted in her opinion. "Because Thornton does not have a First Amendment right to engage in irrelevant debate and to voice repetitive, personal, virulent attacks against Kirkwood and its city officials during the comment portion of a city council public hearing, his claim fails as a matter of law."
I bet they'll get CCW permits after this! It must be a horrible feeling to need a gun and not have one.
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February 8th, 2008, 04:55 AM #2
Re: Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting and Gunman Killed by Police
Steve Ballmer's on the city council there?
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February 8th, 2008, 05:20 AM #3
Re: Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting and Gunman Killed by Police
I originally posted this in the joke thread, but it applies .....
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February 8th, 2008, 05:07 PM #4
Re: Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting and Gunman Killed by Police
I'm probably going to get banned from the high road for what I was saying there. Which is basically this.
Everyone has a line which when crossed by the government means war. And once you've tried and failed at any non violent resolutions, a free man has only one choice.
Our forefathers had a line as well... We are lucky that they decided to be free men...Drew Bingaman Chair Susquehanna Valley Libertarian Party
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February 8th, 2008, 05:48 PM #5Grand Member
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February 8th, 2008, 05:50 PM #6Grand Member
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February 8th, 2008, 06:01 PM #7
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February 8th, 2008, 07:10 PM #8
Re: Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting and Gunman Killed by Police
Hear THAT ???? It's the sound of the "Anti's" climbing all over THIS one !!!!!!!
Marry you, and ruin it all ? I say let's play in sin. ~Michele
Do ya like warm oil massages ?~Me
As long as it's gun oil.~Michele
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February 8th, 2008, 07:13 PM #9
Re: Five Shot to Death at Mo. City Council Meeting and Gunman Killed by Police
good, means you can spend more time here.
THR are fanatics in the most literal sense of the word. fanatacism is no way to advance any cause. you can't support the second amendment and deny the first. gun rights, gun rights, gun rights! (but only if they meet our guidelines)
THR, Oleg, and some of his staff are scum.
we can take this to another thread if the hijack is out of place, I know others here agree.
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February 8th, 2008, 11:10 PM #10
Gunman Shoots Up City Council
(KTVI - myFOXstl.com) -- A gunman with a history of acrimony against city leaders opened fire at a council meeting Thursday night, killing two police officers and three other people before law enforcers fatally shot him.
Although the recent Missouri incident happend in a so-called Gun Free Zone, which apparently it wasn't so gun-free, Pennsylvania doesn't have any such restrictions.
Prepared for the worst, hope for the best.
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