Grabbing the gun of an attacker?

[K.C.]

I've heard that when someone’s holding a gun on you, sometimes you have a better chance of survival if you grab the gun, push it away from you squeeze it like hell. Theory goes if you avoid getting hit by the round fired by the attacker, they are forced to re-rack thus giving you better odds of disarming them beforehand. I often thought about this and the implications to wounds that could result from grabbing it.

This video is the closest that I could find to demonstrate this. It seems that it is possible to grab and hold it with out injuring yourself. I’M NOT SAYING ANYONE SHOULD TRY THIS or CONSIDER THIS LEGAL ADVICE. I just want to know you think about this tactic?

[Emptymag]

I didn't watch the vid, so I don't know if this is what you mean or not, but one of the infamous school shootings was stopped by a kid who had a father who taught him a few things.
His father once told him that if he should ever find a gun in his face and knew there was little chance of surviving, that by grabbing the slide and pushing back, you would throw the gun out of battery, rendering it unable to be fired (while being pushed back). That this was a "last resort" sort of thing.

That's what he did. It's been a while since I read it, but I think that this kid pushed back the slide of the shooter's gun, but his hand slipped off and the gun discharged and somehow caused a jam. At that point a bunch of kids were able to subdue the shooter.

[twoguns]

The rule of thumb for a disarm is that if the assailant is pointing/holding the gun close enough that you can reach it, then it is close enough to be taken away from the attacker.

It is quite simple, as shown by the video you posted, to knock an auto pistol out of battery. That is only part of the equation. Grappling for control of a loaded firearm is serious business. This is in-close fighting and means you are will need to use elbows, knees, head butt and anything else you can to take this bad guy down.

There a number of factors that must be considered in this scenario. among them are:
#1- are there other bystanders that may be in the line of fire if the gun discharges?
#2- is the attacker working with another armed accomplice? and if so where is the other bad guy?
#3- are you able to distract or act quickly enough if the attacker is distracted to effect this technique?

Do not try this at home!
Find a competent trainer who teaches firearms retention and weapons disarming techniques.

This is not to be considered legal advice or adequate training for anyone.

[K.C.]

Figures I'd find this after my initial post.

[ShaulWolf]

The rule of thumb for a disarm is that if the assailant is pointing/holding the gun close enough that you can reach it, then it is close enough to be taken away from the attacker.

It is quite simple, as shown by the video you posted, to knock an auto pistol out of battery. That is only part of the equation. Grappling for control of a loaded firearm is serious business. This is in-close fighting and means you are will need to use elbows, knees, head butt and anything else you can to take this bad guy down.

There a number of factors that must be considered in this scenario. among them are:
#1- are there other bystanders that may be in the line of fire if the gun discharges?
#2- is the attacker working with another armed accomplice? and if so where is the other bad guy?
#3- are you able to distract or act quickly enough if the attacker is distracted to effect this technique?

Do not try this at home!
Find a competent trainer who teaches firearms retention and weapons disarming techniques.

This is not to be considered legal advice or adequate training for anyone.

I've done some training with this kind of scenario. It only really works if you're up close and personal, or you're liable to get shot. Your best bet is if you're in contact distance and you know there aren't really any other options except this or die.

Now keep in mind your surroundings and others. If someone else is around you, are you willing to risk them getting hit by a round meant for you? If there is another attacker, are you willing to try to at least take this one in front of you down?

My thoughts are this. I'm in a no win situation, and I'm probably going to be executed. If I die, then I likely won't be the only one. If there's another, then maybe I can at least take down his accomplice, who is right there in front of me.

Clear the line of fire. Pivot and push the gun away from you so that even if it goes off, the round won't directly hit you. Graze, maybe, or miss entirely if you're fast enough. Take control of the weapon, either by grabbing the slide or gripping around the trigger guard. Take the offensive and attack. There are plenty of vids online showing how to, each with a variation of what I described.

It is possible to clear the line of fire. I've been shown that, and have shown it to others as well, but chances are that round will go off. When that happens it's going to hit whatever is behind you, and probably slightly to the side. If someone else is there, they'll get hit. However, you now have the chance to take down the attacker. Cold blooded, yeah, but that's the truth. It's really a no win situation if you're not one on one and others are in the background.

Now your hand might get scratched or cut. Big deal. The other option is being shot. I'll take a hurt hand over being in a grave.

[twoguns]

I too have trained in this.

One such technique is called the FBI destructive disarm, wherein you pivot, then parry the gun away from your body and the then drive it back to the attacker. The greatest insult is to be shot with your own gun and that is a just price the BG should pay for sticking a gun within your reach.

These are nasty techniques for a nasty situation. One must assess all the given circumstances in any scenario and decide if it is doable without killing an innocent bystander. As you say, some times you may be forced into a no-win situation and you play the cards you are dealt.

Again, it is important not to think you can do this after watching video.
Get proper training from a competent instructor.

[bigandy1966]

youtubes got a ton of handgun disarming videos. But be warned its a dangerous drill even with a blue gun. the Krav Maga technique can rip off a finger in the trigger gaurd. If you are going to practice this cut off the trigger gaurd

[ChuckS]

....Get proper training from a competent instructor.

I see the original poster s from Pittsburgh; check into this course next month
F.I.R.E.

[son of the revolution]

youtubes got a ton of handgun disarming videos. But be warned its a dangerous drill even with a blue gun. the Krav Maga technique can rip off a finger in the trigger gaurd. If you are going to practice this cut off the trigger gaurd

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^


The Kra Maga tactics seem VERY effective and relatively " easy " to pull off.

I dont know for certain if Cruise studied any actual disarm tactics for his role in " Collateral " but his parry, draw and shoot from the holster in the infamous " Yo homie is that my brief case " scene looks very simple and effective as well.

Just like shooting, the physical muscle memory can be trained up to relatively quickly, its the mental state and ability to execute that is the hardest part.

From what I understand there are also actual cases of people, sometimes cops, grabbing the cylinder on a BG's revolver and preventing it from rotating, so no shot can be fired.

[ShaulWolf]

youtubes got a ton of handgun disarming videos. But be warned its a dangerous drill even with a blue gun. the Krav Maga technique can rip off a finger in the trigger gaurd. If you are going to practice this cut off the trigger gaurd

This is sound advice. And definitely get a real instructor if you intend to seriously learn this.