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    Default great traffic stop encounter

    First I would lie to say hello. I joined this site quite a while ago and decided to post finally. A friend and I just recently joined hellertown sportsmans association. If anybody is familiar with the area, there's a no left turn sign at the main intersection leaving the club. I didn't notice the sign and as I made the left there happen to be a Lower Saucon LEO sitting right across the way. He pulled me over and told me about the sign and asked where we we going and had come from. I told him we had just left the club on our way home. He asked where the guns were and I told him all but one were in the trunk and that I had my LTCF and my loaded, holstered, 1911 in the center console. He asked me to step out, and I did. He picked up the gun, my LTCF and DL and all other paperwork, and came back 5 mins later with my paperwork and gun and told me, since I was upfront and honest with him, no citations would be issued for the left turn. So the guys in Lower Saucon are alright by me.

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    Default Re: great traffic stop encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by bhuey79 View Post
    So the guys in Lower Saucon are alright by me.
    Except that he really had no reason to take your gun or do anything other than veryify that you have an LTCF.

    Just because you didn't get a ticket doesn't mean that the cops are alright.

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    When are people going to stop considering this sort of thing a "good encounter?"

    I'm glad you went home safe OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhuey79 View Post
    First I would lie to say hello. I joined this site quite a while ago and decided to post finally. A friend and I just recently joined hellertown sportsmans association. If anybody is familiar with the area, there's a no left turn sign at the main intersection leaving the club. I didn't notice the sign and as I made the left there happen to be a Lower Saucon LEO sitting right across the way. He pulled me over and told me about the sign and asked where we we going and had come from. I told him we had just left the club on our way home. He asked where the guns were and I told him all but one were in the trunk and that I had my LTCF and my loaded, holstered, 1911 in the center console. He asked me to step out, and I did. He picked up the gun, my LTCF and DL and all other paperwork, and came back 5 mins later with my paperwork and gun and told me, since I was upfront and honest with him, no citations would be issued for the left turn. So the guys in Lower Saucon are alright by me.
    man, i hope your prepared for the shit storm coming your way via this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    When are people going to stop considering this sort of thing a "good encounter?"

    I'm glad you went home safe OP.
    Well you have been here at PAFOA for some time and I would have to question your reading comprehension skills, seems you were raped on the side of the road, and for being a good boy and cooperating you received no citation. I would have rather kept my pants on and received the citation and leave with my rights Intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30Glock View Post
    Well you have been here at PAFOA for some time and I would have to question your reading comprehension skills, seems you were raped on the side of the road, and for being a good boy and cooperating you received no citation. I would have rather kept my pants on and received the citation and leave with my rights Intact.
    Well he did get a reach-around (no ticket).
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    Default Re: great traffic stop encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by bhuey79 View Post
    First I would lie to say hello. I joined this site quite a while ago and decided to post finally. A friend and I just recently joined hellertown sportsmans association. If anybody is familiar with the area, there's a no left turn sign at the main intersection leaving the club. I didn't notice the sign and as I made the left there happen to be a Lower Saucon LEO sitting right across the way. He pulled me over and told me about the sign and asked where we we going and had come from. I told him we had just left the club on our way home. He asked where the guns were and I told him all but one were in the trunk and that I had my LTCF and my loaded, holstered, 1911 in the center console. He asked me to step out, and I did. He picked up the gun, my LTCF and DL and all other paperwork, and came back 5 mins later with my paperwork and gun and told me, since I was upfront and honest with him, no citations would be issued for the left turn. So the guys in Lower Saucon are alright by me.

    Uhh, thats unlawful search and seizure. And by your own admittance this makes Lower Saucon PD " alright" in your book ??

    WOW do you have alot to learn. A " great traffic stop ", as described by your thread title, would have been the Officer asking how your groups were, what you shot with and offering to meet up for some trigger time if you wanted , before telling you to drive safely and have a nice day . As it stands, what you experienced ranks quite a way down the list from " awesome " to " horrific"
    Last edited by son of the revolution; January 20th, 2012 at 05:36 AM.
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    Default Re: great traffic stop encounter

    He took the gun out of your console (we talking under the stereo or in the armrest here?), or you gave it to him upon request?

    Either way, that's a no-no.

    Edit: I also just saw that he actually asked you to step out of the vehicle. For what? Legally owning and posessing a firearm? Or for making a left turn where you weren't supposed to?
    Last edited by medsteele; January 20th, 2012 at 07:25 AM.

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    If the OP feels that it was alright, then it was alright. For those that think the stop amounted to a raping of his civil rights, feel free to not cooperate with a police officer during a traffic stop.

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    Default Re: great traffic stop encounter

    Quote Originally Posted by bhuey79 View Post
    First I would lie to say hello. I joined this site quite a while ago and decided to post finally. A friend and I just recently joined hellertown sportsmans association. If anybody is familiar with the area, there's a no left turn sign at the main intersection leaving the club. I didn't notice the sign and as I made the left there happen to be a Lower Saucon LEO sitting right across the way. He pulled me over and told me about the sign and asked where we we going and had come from. I told him we had just left the club on our way home. He asked where the guns were and I told him all but one were in the trunk and that I had my LTCF and my loaded, holstered, 1911 in the center console. He asked me to step out, and I did. He picked up the gun, my LTCF and DL and all other paperwork, and came back 5 mins later with my paperwork and gun and told me, since I was upfront and honest with him, no citations would be issued for the left turn. So the guys in Lower Saucon are alright by me.
    Most are assuming that the officer entered the car without asking and you don't state whether he did, so I will ask. Did he ask to enter your vehicle to retrieve the gun? Did you say "Sure, why not"?

    If he asked and you said yes:
    You voluntarily gave up your 4th Amendment rights to illegal search and seizure. He had no reason to enter your car and take the gun. Did he tell you he was investigating a crime? Were you being detained for an investigation?

    If he did not ask or you said no:
    He violated your 4th Amendment rights and I would get his name, badge number and a copy of the entire dash board camera and file a complaint with the town and ACLU for violating the Constitution.

    Either way, he had no reason to ask, search for and take your gun unless he felt a crime had been committed and he was detaining you on reasonable suspicion that you were a criminal. Even that has rules he needs to follow and he violated those too. I'm sorry but most here will state this was a bad encounter, and I would tend to agree.

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