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January 21st, 2012, 11:37 PM #81
Re: great traffic stop encounter
What it comes down to is whether the OP could end the encounter if he had wanted to. If he volunteered information and consented to the search, he didnt take the opportunity to end the encounter.
Was he able to end it, we dont know because he didnt try.
His rights werent violated, they were forfeited.
I do agree that a violation can not be lawful. If its lawful, its not a violation.
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January 22nd, 2012, 10:06 AM #82
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January 22nd, 2012, 10:23 AM #83
Re: great traffic stop encounter
Let me go in the way back machine and replay what MAY have happened....
COP: Do you have any guns in the car?
citizen: Yes
COP: (drawing weapon) GET OUT OF THE CAR SCUMBAG!!!!
citizen: But I......
COP: (ripping citizen out of car) ON THE GROUND ASS@#$#!!
COP: (talking into radio) COP TO BASE....SEND BACKUP....GUNS GUNS GUNS!!!
citizen: But I have a perm..........
COP: STOP RESISTING.... STOP RESISTING!!!!!!!
Before you know it, your getting kicked by cops, tased and arrested. Your guns get confiscated. 6 cops agree in a report that you were combative and reached for your weapon.
Fast forward a few days after you make bail....
citizen: Hey PAFOA, my rights were violated... send money.....
Author's note: citizen is intentionally in small print to illustrate hoe he was "kept down" by the authorities.With great power comes great responsibility....
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January 22nd, 2012, 10:28 AM #84
Re: great traffic stop encounter
I was pulled over twice last spring.
Once for doing 88 in a 55 zone. The state troopper wrote it up as 65 in a 55 zone. Never asked if I was armed. Never even mentioned the 1911 inside sticker on the back window.
second time was about a month later. I was tagged for doing 78 in a 55 zone. It also happened to be a double fine zone. H asked if I ever received a ticket before. I said I did a month earlier. He wrote it up as not obeying signage. He then asked about the ZRT sticker on my back window. And we chatted guns for a few minutes. Never asked if I was armed.
I am going to have to say that these two examples are good or great traffic stop encounters. I did something wrong. They gave me a break. I did not ask them to. I did not tell them I was armed, even though my truck has a sticker on it that clearly says I might be.
Unfortunately I had to sell a gun each time to cover the fine. But I still had enough left over to pick up two others I had on layaway.troll Free. It's all in your mind.
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January 22nd, 2012, 11:15 AM #85
Re: great traffic stop encounter
I have been pulled over twice since getting my LTCF, once by a local yocal in Lykens for going 47 in a 35, I gave him my LTCF with my license and was never asked to give up my gun, where it was or anything.
The next was by a PSP for doing a few over the posted limit and I only gave him my DL. Was never asked about guns, where I was coming form or going, not even if I had dead bodies in the trunk (not that I did mind you). In both cases I was let go with a warning and no ticket and I have my NRA and GOA stickers in the back window in plain view.
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January 22nd, 2012, 04:57 PM #86Grand Member
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Re: great traffic stop encounter
He couldn't end the encounter. He had been lawfully stopped by a police officer who observed a moving violation, and the officer had not yet told him (or otherwise indicated) that he was free to leave.
If the officer had said "you're free to go", and then said "by the way, may I check that pistol to make sure everything's on the up-and-up?" then I would agree with you.
In general (and with certain exceptions) "the test for telling when a seizure occurs is whether, in light of all the surrounding circumstances, a reasonable person would have believed he was not free to leave." (Brendlin v. California) Under the OP's circumstances, having been pulled over by the cops he was clearly seized, and a reasonable person would IMO not feel he was free to leave at the time of the investigation of the pistol, given the sequence of events described in his first post here.I am not a lawyer. Nothing I say or write is legal advice.
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February 15th, 2012, 11:27 AM #87Junior Member
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Re: great traffic stop encounter
unfortunately, all police have different personalities even tho they work for the same dept. recently, my brother came upon an accident in lower saucon. the police and the tow truck were there. he was waiting patiently in his 3/4 ton pickup for them to clear the accident. all of a sudden, the tow truck started backing up towards his truck. my brother backed up slowly to avoid the trucking hitting him . he didn't notice a honda civic stopped right on his bumper. it was at nite. 3/4 trucks are much higher off the ground than the little civic. he bumped into the front end of the civic. the cop in charge of the accident came over to him and asked why he backed up. he told him because if he wouldn't have, the tow truck would have hit him. the cop asked for his lic.,reg., and ins. then came back and told him it was ok to leave. a couple of days later he gets a citation in the mail. he was charged with "improperly backing up" which is 3 points. he called the cop and asked him why he charged him. he said, he wrote up the driver in the civic for an expired inspection and it wouldn't have looked good if he didn't write him up, too. so, as i said, every cop has a different personality. any cop can, on any given day, do exactly the opposite of his buddy, on any given day.
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February 15th, 2012, 02:01 PM #88
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February 15th, 2012, 02:19 PM #89Banned
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Re: great traffic stop encounter
some people clearly prefer cooperating even if its sacrificing & tarneshing their constitutional rights! cops can certainly be intimidating and although i`ve never had a bad experience...its hard to say how one would respond regarding a vehement display of their gun rights when a cop is calling for back up while having you at gun point because you refuse Any of his requests. I`ve read many posts with these kinda scary scenarios! much gratitude & admiration for our gun-rights warriors that stand steadfast in that moment of badge abuse, cause its gotta be a potentially terrifying situation.
I hope no bloke i know ever has to experience Vicious strong arm of the law........but many shared stories ive read on here are horrid abuses of our civil rights!Last edited by rugerchaz; February 15th, 2012 at 02:23 PM.
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February 15th, 2012, 02:34 PM #90
Re: great traffic stop encounter
Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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