great traffic stop encounter

[longcall911]

First I would lie to say hello. I joined this site quite a while ago and decided to post finally. . . .

So you joined a year and a half ago, and have not posted until now. In that time, you obviously did not read any 'LEO encounter' threads because they are all pretty much the same as yours.

If after all these posts, you are still confused as to why you're being corrected, search for the dozens of other threads. You'll see you are not alone and hopefully, you'll come to understand why.

[39flathead]

If the OP feels that it was alright, then it was alright. For those that think the stop amounted to a raping of his civil rights, feel free to not cooperate with a police officer during a traffic stop.

I have not cooperated many times, and I'm still here, not locked up.

I regularly get stopped at DOT checks in my truck and as I've posted about before, I ignore many of the questions asked of me and I inform the officer why I refuse to answer.

If the OP and others like being treated like a criminal for being a law abiding gun owner, then so be it.
Sheep are nice and cuddly.

[bhuey79]

I apologize to those who I've clearly offended or disrespected. I'm sorry that sharing my opinion and feelings with what I thought was a great community, was met with such strong obligation. I do know my rights, and I do demand them. However, I was taught at a young age to pick and choose your battles. If some have differing opinions I respect them but when I am reffered to as weak or having been sexually violated, I take offense to that. I am a criminal law student and as such know clearly my rights relating to the Bill of Rights and all other amendments of the U.S. Constitution. While I have the right to remain silent I chose not to. While I have the right not to have illegal searches performed and anything retrieved during those illegal searches, seized, I chose otherwise. If you cannot respect my choices, than you have no right to judge me. I consented to the lawful seizure of my firearm for the duration of the traffic stop by virtue of asking the police officer what he would like me to do. Some feel like being argumentative or disrespectful to a police officer but the man is simply doing his job. Again I apologize to those who I have offended, but for voicing my opinions on an open public forum, I will not.

[son of the revolution]

I apologize to those who I've clearly offended or disrespected. I'm sorry that sharing my opinion and feelings with what I thought was a great community, was met with such strong obligation. I do know my rights, and I do demand them. However, I was taught at a young age to pick and choose your battles. If some have differing opinions I respect them but when I am reffered to as weak or having been sexually violated, I take offense to that. I am a criminal law student and as such know clearly my rights relating to the Bill of Rights and all other amendments of the U.S. Constitution. While I have the right to remain silent I chose not to. While I have the right not to have illegal searches performed and anything retrieved during those illegal searches, seized, I chose otherwise. If you cannot respect my choices, than you have no right to judge me. I consented to the lawful seizure of my firearm for the duration of the traffic stop by virtue of asking the police officer what he would like me to do. Some feel like being argumentative or disrespectful to a police officer but the man is simply doing his job. Again I apologize to those who I have offended, but for voicing my opinions on an open public forum, I will not.

I dont even know where to begin...........................


No you most certainly do not " demand " your rights, you admit as much yourself.

Your a "criminal law student " ?? For what purpose ? For eventually a job in Law Enforcement or in Law School with the goal to be a defense attorney ?

If your going to be an attorney, its a reasonable inference from your above post that you would do more damage to any potential clients then you would assistance by condoning the manner in which you handled this were you ever to advise someone else to do the same.

If your goal is Law Enforcement, then that casts your response, reluctance to acknowledge how bad this " great traffic stop " actually was and your attempted defense of the indefensible in an entirely different light. If you ever do make it " on the job " without a radical re examination of the relationship between Law Enforcement Powers and the rights of sovereign Citizens, then I foresee a time where you will be a defendant in a Civil Suit by a Citizen that refuses to go along quietly for your comfort.

[mjfletcher]

I apologize to those who I've clearly offended or disrespected. I'm sorry that sharing my opinion and feelings with what I thought was a great community, was met with such strong obligation. I do know my rights, and I do demand them. However, I was taught at a young age to pick and choose your battles. If some have differing opinions I respect them but when I am reffered to as weak or having been sexually violated, I take offense to that. I am a criminal law student and as such know clearly my rights relating to the Bill of Rights and all other amendments of the U.S. Constitution. While I have the right to remain silent I chose not to. While I have the right not to have illegal searches performed and anything retrieved during those illegal searches, seized, I chose otherwise. If you cannot respect my choices, than you have no right to judge me. I consented to the unlawful seizure of my firearm for the duration of the traffic stop by virtue of asking the police officer what he would like me to do. Some feel like being argumentative or disrespectful to a police officer but the man is simply doing his job. Again I apologize to those who I have offended, but for voicing my opinions on an open public forum, I will not.

Corrected it for you. As a law student you are well aware that in order to search your vehicle or seize your property he must have reasonable articulable suspicion of criminal activity in order to provide probable cause for the search/seizure.

Expecting and requiring duly sworn and authorized agents of the government to respect our rights and refusing to surrender them or voluntarily allow them to be violated is not being argumentative or disrespectful, it is being a free citizen of the republic. The government and its authorized agents are obligated to respect our rights, We The People have the obligation of making sure they do.

The officer violated your rights and broke the law, that is not a great encounter, that is a criminal with a badge treating you like a subject. Your choice to allow it does not change that.

[mjfletcher]

I dont even know where to begin...........................

I think i covered the pertinent points.

[IronSight]

I apologize to those who I've clearly offended or disrespected. I'm sorry that sharing my opinion and feelings with what I thought was a great community, was met with such strong obligation. I do know my rights, and I do demand them. However, I was taught at a young age to pick and choose your battles. If some have differing opinions I respect them but when I am reffered to as weak or having been sexually violated, I take offense to that. I am a criminal law student and as such know clearly my rights relating to the Bill of Rights and all other amendments of the U.S. Constitution. While I have the right to remain silent I chose not to. While I have the right not to have illegal searches performed and anything retrieved during those illegal searches, seized, I chose otherwise. If you cannot respect my choices, than you have no right to judge me. I consented to the lawful seizure of my firearm for the duration of the traffic stop by virtue of asking the police officer what he would like me to do. Some feel like being argumentative or disrespectful to a police officer but the man is simply doing his job. Again I apologize to those who I have offended, but for voicing my opinions on an open public forum, I will not.

Your choices are your own I'll agree with that, but I disagree that choosing to hold to your rights is disrespectful.

[bhuey79]

For a police officer to conduct a search, you are quite correct, he must have reasonable suspicion or a warrant signed by a judge but, if I consent to a search, it is clearly not an unlawful search... I chose to allow the officer to "search and seize".

[Justin///M]

I apologize to those who I've clearly offended or disrespected. I'm sorry that sharing my opinion and feelings with what I thought was a great community, was met with such strong obligation. I do know my rights, and I do demand them. However, I was taught at a young age to pick and choose your battles. If some have differing opinions I respect them but when I am reffered to as weak or having been sexually violated, I take offense to that. I am a criminal law student and as such know clearly my rights relating to the Bill of Rights and all other amendments of the U.S. Constitution. While I have the right to remain silent I chose not to. While I have the right not to have illegal searches performed and anything retrieved during those illegal searches, seized, I chose otherwise. If you cannot respect my choices, than you have no right to judge me. I consented to the lawful seizure of my firearm for the duration of the traffic stop by virtue of asking the police officer what he would like me to do. Some feel like being argumentative or disrespectful to a police officer but the man is simply doing his job. Again I apologize to those who I have offended, but for voicing my opinions on an open public forum, I will not.

You still don't get it. Do what you want, I don't care, but stop f&*king referring those of us that stand up for our rights argumentative and disrespectful.

I've NEVER been disrespectful to a cop in my life, yet I have always stood up for my rights..., and even have gotten off without a ticket while doing so.

Justin

PS And NO, it is not his f*&king job to remove you from your car and seize your property while doing nothing illegal.

[son of the revolution]

For a police officer to conduct a search, you are quite correct, he must have reasonable suspicion or a warrant signed by a judge but, if I consent to a search, it is clearly not an unlawful search... I chose to allow the officer to "search and seize".

Correct, the question is WHY ?????? As others have pointed out, you have NO duty to do whatever an officer asks of you in order that he or she " feel safe ".

Its a ludicrous example, but pertinent to make a point. What if the Officer said he/she would feel " safer " having you strip and prone out ? You justified this in your earlier post by stating the Officer " doesnt know you ". Well, flip it around, you dont know the Officer either. How do you know whether your dealing with a " good cop " or one like former Canton OH PD Officer Daniel Harless ?? How do you know that he/she isnt having a bad day, week, month, year or wasnt just ripped a new one by a Superior and feels like conjuring up a way to make an easy collar at your expense ?

What you dont seem to realize is just how badly this could have turned out for you. That it didnt this time is totally irrelevant to any potential future encounters. Not to mention the fact that your actions simply re-enforced the idea for this Officer that its acceptable behavior and he can do it with impunity.

Your of course free to conduct yourself however you see fit, but your not entitled to come here, relate the experience and then expect the rest of us to agree with you or tell you you did the right thing. Frankly, if you get "offended " by the rather benign manner in which your story/posts have been responded to, you need a much thicker skin for starters. OASN, I'd still like an answer to my question to you about for what purpose you are a "criminal law " student, as I believe it is relevant to your stated views