Carry in Car Holster

[TTew22]

First post so forgive me if this one has already been thrown around the forum.

If I want to take my concealed weapon out for comfort while driving and place it in a holster strapped to my drivers seat is there any issue of "Open Carry" in my car should I ever get pulled over or stopped at any checkpoint ect?

Take it easy on the new guy.......

Thanks

[BimmerJon]

First post so forgive me if this one has already been thrown around the forum.

If I want to take my concealed weapon out for comfort while driving and place it in a holster strapped to my drivers seat is there any issue of "Open Carry" in my car should I ever get pulled over or stopped at any checkpoint ect?

I have a PA CCW but did not know if I needed to keep the weapon concealed even in the car.

Take it easy on the new guy.......

Thanks

WELCOME!

In PA, there is no such thing as "concealed" or "open" in a vehicle, it is simply "carry". So legally... no difference. You have your LTCF, so good there too.

You don't have a CCW "Concealed Carry Permit" because PA doesn't issue them. You have a LTCF "License to Carry Firearms". Sure it lets you conceal, but it also does so much more! It also doesn't FORCE you to conceal, in or out of a car.

Legalities aside.... If a cop sees your firearm during a stop, on your seat or on your hip, depending on the caliber of cop that day and how educated they are, not to mention if they had 5 cups of regular coffee or decaf... your experience may differ.

Last note... putting your gun on the seat makes it a potential projectile in a car accident. Secure it somewhere

[Svickstc]

Actually, when you take your weapon in the car weather you're open carrying or concealed it becomes a concealed weapon requiring a license to carry firearm (LTCF)

If you were to get pulled over in that situation where the gun is easily visible, I would inform the officer of the location and condition of the firearm (although pa is not a duty to inform state) hence why I would just buy a more comfortable holster to avoid these situations

Also holstering or reholstering your weapon could make the sheep goo baaaaahhh if they notice these suspecions inside a vehicle before enetering a store, etc

[BimmerJon]

Actually, when you take your weapon in the car weather you're open carrying or concealed it becomes a concealed weapon requiring a license to carry firarm ltcf

This is completely incorrect. There is no "concealed" in a vehicle. It is simply "carry". Doesn't matter if it is hidden or not in a vehicle.
True, you do need a PA LTCF (or permit/license from ANY state) to transport a firearm loaded in a vehicle, but there are other situations too.

A LTCF isn't required in all circumstances to carry an unloaded firearm in your vehicle such as below:
One would be completely legal to carry a firearm (unloaded) in a car with it under their shirt, on their seat or taped to their forehead without a LTCF.
Though they would need to meet a valid exception to 6106, such as traveling to/from a range or place of purchase.

Brush up on 6106

http://reference.pafoa.org/statutes/...out-a-license/

a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

Nothing about "open" or "concealed"

Exceptions:

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).

[Svickstc]

I understand that, however, were talking in terms of a loaded (carry) weapon and as soon as you enter a vehicle, yes you're correct you are now just transporting, but this requires ltfc

I was ignorantly informed that it turns to concealed when entering a vehicle, more or less, wether its open or concealed you step in your car its technically concealment the law just doesn't state it. Now if you have tinted windows that's some deep concealment haha

Not a range trip in which the ammo and gun have to be seperated without ltcf

Bimmerjon posted all the info you need!

[350CI]

sometimes i just put my gun in the passenger seat for long drives, don't really care who does and doesn't see it, county, city, state cops have seen it and not said a word...

[Svickstc]

sometimes i just put my gun in the passenger seat for long drives, don't really care who does and doesn't see it, county, city, state cops have seen it and not said a word...

I would find a better way to secure that weapon in case of an accident, wouldn't want to get your skull busted by your own weapon now...

[350CI]

I would find a better way to secure that weapon in case of an accident, wouldn't want to get your skull busted by your own weapon now...

i've been looking at some other options but when driving up and down 76 & 70 the last thing i'm thinking about is that gun

[dunsho]

leaving it in a retention holster on the seat like that requires 2 hands to present the weapon. if you must, i think i would be better to stick the muzzle without holster bwt in the passenger seat cushion and the seat back. will keep the gun from sliding around on hard turns.



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after looking at your pics more closely, why do you stick it bwt the passenger seat and armrest area.

[350CI]

leaving it in a retention holster on the seat like that requires 2 hands to present the weapon. if you must, i think i would be better to stick the muzzle without holster bwt in the passenger seat cushion and the seat back. will keep the gun from sliding around on hard turns.



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after looking at your pics more closely, why do you stick it bwt the passenger seat and armrest area.

i can actually release the weapon with one hand but i don't like the though of jamming it between the seat and center console without the trigger guard not covered...