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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    In 30 years of carrying I've been asked twice about my weapon after the officers saw my LTCF next to my driver's license. One just asked where the gun was located. The other wanted to examine my LTCF to make sure it was valid and asked if there was a round in the chamber. Neither asked to see the weapon.

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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by acosenza2 View Post

    Because there is no obligation to inform, I would assume that answering "no" would not be a violation of law. I do not think lying to an officer if you have done nothing wrong is illegal...

    Would advise against lying to an officer. It will in no way help your situation. Theres no need to. If the traffic stop leads to you getting out of the car, police can give you a simple "pat down" and if a gun is discovered or you then change your story and say you now have a gun your in trouble.

    You do not have to answer. Simply say I am exerise my 5th amendment right to remain silent and I would like to speak to a lawyer before answering any questions. Really its that simple.

    Now the "ball" will be in his court. Will he take you to the police station and arrange for a lawyer to continue asking you simple questions? Probably not.
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    Back when I was nice to cops I had plenty of issues. Now I dont tell them shit, refuse to lower any window other than my drivers side and I do not wind that the entire way down. I will not turn on my interrior lights and leave my car running with radio on, though ill turn it down.
    I get warnings, and iv been pulled over ALOT. I used to drive fast.

    OP, dont tell them you have a firearm and that wont be of any concern. If they know of it and insist on removing asking to clear the gun is your only option. Dont just grab it.
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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookieman00x View Post
    I’ve never had an officer ask to see my weapon. I do however hand them my CCW when I hand them my DL if I am carrying.
    I'm just curious, why? They don't need to know if you are CC if you are just being stopped for speeding....?

    I know some states you are required to tell, but you're not here....
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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmcdaniel View Post
    In 30 years of carrying I've been asked twice about my weapon after the officers saw my LTCF next to my driver's license.
    That's why my LTCF is buried deep inside my wallet. Too many people display it like they would a signed Picasso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRA Recruiter View Post
    That's why my LTCF is buried deep inside my wallet. Too many people display it like they would a signed Picasso.
    Yeah...no reason to wave it around, esp if you got a cop on a bad day who feels like making trouble.
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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    Its never been an issue for me but if I was asked if I had a firearm during a traffic stop I would definately not inform him that I am. In my mind, the safest thing for myself and the officer is to not let him know Im armed until its obvious that he may find out by accident (such as making me step out of the vehicle or searching me)
    A couple of you have said it would be illegal to lie and say "NO", is there case law or statutes to back that up? Ive never heard of anyone being charged for lieing unless they are sworn.

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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookieman00x View Post
    I’ve never had an officer ask to see my weapon. I do however hand them my CCW when I hand them my DL if I am carrying. I also roll all my windows down and put my keys on the dash and if its night time, I turn on my interior lights.


    I’ve only been pulled over 3-4 times in the last decade and each time only received a warning. You would be amazed at how an officer responds when they feel more comfortable. Some people wouldn’t agree with doing that much but I don’t mind it at all. I’ve got nothing to hide and I want the officer to know that.


    If they asked to see my weapon, I wouldn’t mind showing them. Most cops aren’t out to be assholes unless provoked. Acting like you’re a lawyer with just about any cop and you’re looking for trouble. I have never had any negative issues with any police officer but I always treat them with respect.
    You must not spend much time here.

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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    Quote Originally Posted by acosenza2 View Post
    Because there is no obligation to inform, I would assume that answering "no" would not be a violation of law.
    There's a big difference between keeping silent and lying.

    It may or may not be a crime to give a false oral statement to a state officer in PA (I've seen it argued both ways here, without evidence that convinced me either way). It is absolutely not a crime to remain silent in the face of a question like that.

    It IS a crime to give a false oral statement to a federal investigating officer. So be particularly careful what you say to, e.g., National Park Service rangers.
    I am not a lawyer. Nothing I say or write is legal advice.

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    Default Re: If an officer asks to see your weapon?

    I'd love for all police officers to be "the good guys", knowledgeable, professional, and "on our side". Many are. Entirely too many however, are not. And if an issue does occur, unless you've maintained your legal rights, you may be at a huge disadvantage right from the outset.

    A friend, an attorney who taught the legal portion NRA requires in the Personal Protection in the Home and Personal Protection Outside the Home, stressed the critical nature of remaining calm, neutral, and not volunteering information. The main reason not to do so is there is no upside. It cannot help you. But potentially, volunteering more information than necessary can sink you later on.

    Do some searches on PAFOA for some of the incidents that have occurred involving members of the site and non-members alike. Traffic stops, open carry, licensed concealed carry, accidentally being forced by traffic onto the bridge ramp headed for New Jersey - there's a lot to be learned.

    Why would they (law enforcement) ask? They ask lots of things, all the time- because they are fishing... looking for things unrelated to the business at hand - in this example, the traffic stop- and often the situation deteriorates.

    In some cases, a police officer "disarming you for safety" is so unfamiliar with the operation of the firearm you are carrying that the situation becomes MORE dangerous. They flat out do not know how to clear THAT firearm and make it safe. There is always the possibility that a firearm being handled can be accidentally or negligently discharged. It is generally safer for all concerned if it can simply remain secured in a proper holster, with no one handling it.

    It is true that there is more public support nation wide for 2A rights, and more states than ever before now offer some form of legal gun ownership, and/or carry.

    But the simple fact of the matter is that the legal system (and much of the public) still has great antipathy for even the law abiding gun owner, and would rather that those rights didn't exist. Unless we know and exercise them correctly, they won't.
    Last edited by PA Traveler; January 14th, 2012 at 11:53 PM.

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