Philadelphia Crime Plan

**Gorgon** · January 31st, 2008, 09:49 AM

http://www.nbc10.com/news/15175677/detail.html

Read report and then download the actual crime plan in PDF format in the link below. This data had an embargo until the press conference yesterday.

http://www.nbc10.com/download/2008/0130/15174000.pdf

I haven't read it all the way through yet but you can imagine what's inside. I'll be back with comments once I'm finished.

EDIT: More links.

Executive Summary.

http://www.phila.gov/pdfs/CrimePlanExecSummary.pdf

Full final plan.

http://www.phila.gov/pdfs/CrimePlanFinalv2.pdf

**WhiteFeather** · January 31st, 2008, 11:32 AM

Here is solution to Philly problem that no one wants to hear, let alone do anything to solve the problem.

ONE READER'S VIEW
Letters | Put the blame where it lies: The killers
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opini...ders_View.html

We have to stop pointing the finger everywhere but at the very people who prey on us each day. Over time we have allowed our value system to erode. We refuse to hold people accountable for their actions and constantly make excuses for their inexcusable behavior. The incessant cry for tougher gun laws is a good example. Until we're ready to strictly enforce the current laws there is no reason for tougher ones.

Yes, there is a need to work on the social ills at the core of much of the unrest, but that does not mean we should accept those ills as a reason to excuse the behavior. Those engaged in this violent lifestyle know exactly what they're doing. They also know it is wrong. And they also know there are no serious consequences for their actions. It's not a matter of not knowing right from wrong, it's a matter of weighing the risk. And today they face very little risk.

Time after time these budding killers are arrested with guns, only to be returned to the streets with a slap on the wrist. Is it any wonder we have trouble getting witnesses to speak up? Instead of holding vigils at murder scenes, groups like Men United for a Better Philadelphia and Mothers in Charge should throw a ring around the Criminal In-Justice Center and demand that our judges hold the criminals accountable.

More than 80 percent of Philadelphia's cold-blooded killers have criminal records. Most of those records are lengthy, many for violent crimes. Every one of those arrests represents an opportunity to send a clear message, before they take another life.

Joseph Fox
Chief of Detectives
Philadelphia Police Department
Philadelphia

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/pennsylva...s-problem.html

**billamj** · January 31st, 2008, 11:53 AM

I can explain the crime plan very readily, place the blame everywhere but where it belongs. You see if we put the blame where it lies we may not look so good so....[/philly plan]

**brewguy** · January 31st, 2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

Here is solution to Philly problem that no one wants to hear, let alone do anything to solve the problem.

ONE READER'S VIEW
Letters | Put the blame where it lies: The killers
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opini...ders_View.html

We have to stop pointing the finger everywhere but at the very people who prey on us each day. Over time we have allowed our value system to erode. We refuse to hold people accountable for their actions and constantly make excuses for their inexcusable behavior. The incessant cry for tougher gun laws is a good example. Until we're ready to strictly enforce the current laws there is no reason for tougher ones.

Yes, there is a need to work on the social ills at the core of much of the unrest, but that does not mean we should accept those ills as a reason to excuse the behavior. Those engaged in this violent lifestyle know exactly what they're doing. They also know it is wrong. And they also know there are no serious consequences for their actions. It's not a matter of not knowing right from wrong, it's a matter of weighing the risk. And today they face very little risk.

Time after time these budding killers are arrested with guns, only to be returned to the streets with a slap on the wrist. Is it any wonder we have trouble getting witnesses to speak up? Instead of holding vigils at murder scenes, groups like Men United for a Better Philadelphia and Mothers in Charge should throw a ring around the Criminal In-Justice Center and demand that our judges hold the criminals accountable.

More than 80 percent of Philadelphia's cold-blooded killers have criminal records. Most of those records are lengthy, many for violent crimes. Every one of those arrests represents an opportunity to send a clear message, before they take another life.

Joseph Fox
Chief of Detectives
Philadelphia Police Department
Philadelphia

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/pennsylva...s-problem.html

so to be clear what he is saying is that by simply dealing with criminals in an effective manner the first time they could immediately reduce Phillys murder rate by 80%. That is huge!!

Now how do you deal with them?

Is there anything that would prevent revoking citizenship and deporting them?

**phillyshooter** · January 31st, 2008, 03:52 PM

Here's my plan....open hunting season on drug dealers and users.

**larrymeyer** · January 31st, 2008, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by phillyshooter

Here's my plan....open hunting season on drug dealers and users.

And we can have GOLD, SILVER and Bronze medals for drug dealers as for users lets pit them in a hospital give them all the drugs they want and when they die we can turn the hospitals over for treatment of non drug users.

Worked in China

**reels18** · January 31st, 2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by phillyshooter

Here's my plan....open hunting season on drug dealers and users.

Shoot a drug dealer and there are 10 to 20 creeps ready to take their place. On the other hand, politicians that see their kind being targeted may decide to do what they were elected to do.