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January 31st, 2008, 07:14 AM #21Super Member
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Re: homemade suppressor
You guys need to calm down. Most people that are new to NFA refer to them as class III items. I would think that this comes from most people seeing the items at class III dealers. It's kinda like when some people call a magazine a clip. You know they are wrong but you understand what they are talking about.
Yes. Anyone can manufacture a suppressor even without a manufacturing license as long as the can will be for their own use and the have an approved form 1 from the ATF. You cannot be cranking them out and selling them as that would be illegal. Anything can be registered as a suppressor as long as it can have a serial number and manufacturer's info imprinted on it.
A potato could in theory be done but it would be a waste as it would be a single use. BUT......if you made an adapter that screwed onto you muzzle that a potato would be pushed onto then that adapter would be registered as the suppressor, not the potato. The potato would just be considered a part of the whole. Personally I dont think it would be worth the money to bother. I have seen someone make an adapter to screw a 2 liter soda bottle onto a Mac 10. The adapter was registered, the bottles were not.
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January 31st, 2008, 07:45 AM #22
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OK, we will start here. Class 3 is a reference to the Special Occupation Tax. SOT 2 would be the tax for a license to manufacture NFA items, SOT 3 would be the "dealer" that you have to go through to transfer NFA items interstate. Class 3, as previously stated, is NOT the status of your machinegun... it is a title 2 items. Your non-NFA items would be title 1 items.
for more information please refer to here
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/nfa-class...ppressors.html
or here
http://www.titleii.com
WTF!??! hypothetically this is possible though it is not probable. Neither one of them endorsed the idea infact they both seem to think it's a bad idea but at no point did they say it was impossible. In fact as you even state PA Pat. is researching it just to be sure.
Not sure why you pulled your post if you have nothing to hide, though it's quoted in PA Pats right bellow your so it was an exercise in futility. Also what's with the personal attacks? not cool.
I would be intrested to see this case or at least the specifics pertaining to it.
if you have nothing better or productive to post that this don't bother posting.
To me it seems clear you have some sort of agenda and made personal attacks on 2 reputable members amongst the NFA board. I'm not saying they know everything but they have both proved that they know this specialty in firearms extensively. I don't know what you think your going to accomplish by doing this but I think your just going to be moving backwards. There is NO need to stir shit like that and you know it. Knock it off! Let's ALL keep giving accurate information to the best of our knowledge and keep the NFA community moving forward!
cheers,
Josh
"132 and Bush I've got him at gun point, OK gun point, 132 and bush, cover is code 3"
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January 31st, 2008, 05:21 PM #23
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January 31st, 2008, 05:51 PM #24
Re: homemade suppressor
Dang!
I stopped in to see that the conversation wasn't wandering in an "undesirable" direction,(legalities)and what do I find?
Stimpy flipping out about... well, I'm not even sure WHAT he's talking about.
Stimpy. Take a deep breath, man.
And since this thread has a legitimate question being asked, do we really need to keep talking about the potatoes? This isn't the lounge.I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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January 31st, 2008, 06:24 PM #25
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January 31st, 2008, 10:41 PM #26Super Member
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Re: homemade suppressor
Personally I like my potatoes sliced thin and fried crispy with a good amount of salt...........
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January 31st, 2008, 11:10 PM #27
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I doubt that any approved ATF forms refer to a firearm as being a "class III firearm". I'd like to see it.
The National Firearms Act was enacted in 1934. It was re-enacted as Title II of the 1968 Gun Control Act. Title I of the 1968 GCA covers non-NFA weapons, Title II covers NFA firearms. That's why MG's, SBR's, SBS's, AOW's, destructive devices and silencers are correctly referred to as "Title II" firearms.
A silencer as defined by the NFA may be manufactured by any person who has obtained prior approval from ATF on a Form I. Any person at all, so long as he's not prohibited by his own history or his local law. PA law allows any NFA firearm except a "bomb", under PA's "Prohibited Offensive Weapons" statute.
If one describes a potato and includes appropriate diagrams, and is able to permanently mark it with his name, town, and serial number in characters .003" deep, one could get approval for a potato silencer. I think that the marking issue would trump the fact that the potato would blow apart, I suspect that ATF wouldn't approve a silencer that could not physically be permanently marked.
On the other hand, many folks who are not FFL's /SOT's have applied for and received prior approval to manufacture conventional silencers for personal use. This is not even arguably illegal, this is established law.
If your fetish is one-shot disposable silencers, the usual route is to register a coupler with female threading on one end to match your gun (1/2 X 28 is popular), and the other end threaded to match 2-liter soda bottles. The bottle blows out after a couple of shots, but the registered "silencer" remains and can be repaired as soon as you drink the last of your Pepsi.
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January 31st, 2008, 11:39 PM #28
Re: homemade suppressor
C'mon guys!
We're supposed to be a community of mature gun owners looking to enrich our breadth of firearms knowledge!
It's not nice to pick on fellow forum members.
I, for one, am prepared to take Mr. Stimpy's potato issue very seriously.
Why can't you???
-Gary in Pennsylvania
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“Argue For Your Limitations……And Sure Enough, They’re Yours.” Messiah's Handbook
“The unexamined life is not worth living.” Socrates 399BC
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February 1st, 2008, 03:16 PM #29
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I think this went downhill because a fool got involved in the thread, then made it worse (if possible) by altering his post so that it was fairly nonsensical in indicating that you cannot make a suppressor.
Stimpy, better to have people THINK you are a fool, than open your mouth and prove it, as you did.
you dont have to say WHAT the can is made of, just length, caliber and have the required markings on it.
once you mount, shoot, and make mashed potatos, all you do is write the ATF saying that the item has been destroyed, and you are out the $200.
as a note to folks, Stimpy went and negative repped me on my NFA Faq on "Process to acquire/make NFA items in Pennsylvania" Sticky, because hes a moron.
he posted this:
stimpy17 "And get it approved first" JB, how many potatos has the ATF approved? This type of action will some day hurt all legal C-3 owners. Do you care? Can you please send me any proof of the ATF "approving" any homemade silencer.
So I PMd him this, in its entirety
Originally Posted by JayBell
obviously I'm not an NFA expert, but i also dont suffer fools gladly, I find it tiresome, and a waste of time."Oderint Dum Metuant" - BMFH
"Tact is for people not witty enough to use sarcasm"
Note: any whingeing crazy that hits my PM inbox will be deleted without reply
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February 1st, 2008, 03:44 PM #30Super Member
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Re: homemade suppressor
I don't think negative rep from stimpy does much, has his rep is extremely low to begin with.
For good measure, I gave you some rep for your last post, so it all works out in the end.
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things!Last edited by doug; February 1st, 2008 at 03:47 PM.
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