trust lawyer and Class 3 dealer questions

**Gun_'n_Run** · November 22nd, 2011, 01:48 AM

Hey all,

Not a whole lotta posts, but got a few questions.

I'm in Allegheny County, in McKeesport, so I'm looking around for a few things. As the title says, a good trust lawyer (I have no problem driving to Pittsburgh) and some questions about Class 3 dealers in my area.

As for a lawyer, I'm looking at setting up a firearms trust. I'm only 18, but figure I might as well get a trust set up now for A) Privacy, B)convenience and C) advance planning.

I figure if I'm walking down the street and get hit by lightning/hit by a runaway bus or whatever, I'd want as smooth a transition, legally speaking for future NFA purchases as possible for either my parents or future wife/kids.

As such, I'm looking for a lawyer who has experience setting these up, and, big thing here, won't bend me over about prices. [I'm a poor college student, what can I say]. Can anyone recommend a lawyer or two?

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Second: As far as class three dealers go, I've seen "PA Defense Consultants" as being right up the road from me. I've stopped by several times, but they're always closed... Anyone have any experience with them or any other good C3 dealers int he Mckeesport/Pittsburgh area?

Also... As far as regulations go, I'd like to clarify a few things on my end...

I bought an 11.5" bbled upper for an AR with the intention of making an AR pistol, and then Form 1 SBRing it (hence the above trust questions).

I was under the impression that because receivers are considered neither rifles nor pistols, they are transferred as receivers, regardless of what you are going to do with it upon first assembly.

As such, me, being 18, could not purchase one, except through a private sale (not having the machining know-how or tools ruled out an 80%receiver), so my dad agreed to buy me a lower as my belated 18th birthday present.

It was the first time he's ever purchased a gun, so when we went to the shop, he was full of questions.

They were very, very curious as to how it was being initially assembled. I questioned them about transferring it as a pistol, as they insisted, because to my knowledge, it doesnt matter. It's a receiver, and should be transferred as such on the 4473. They stated "no, if you're going shorter than 16 inches it'd better be a pistol, otherwise its an illegal SBR... We cannot just transfer it as a receiver, it's gotta be a rifle or pistol..."

So my dad said pistol, which it is currently. So they made him fill out a second form, one i was not familiar with, to register it to him.

Was this the correct thing to do? If so, can him giving it to me be considered a gift, or do we have to head to a sheriffs office or what-not to transfer it to my name? what was this other form?

**NAV3** · December 3rd, 2011, 04:35 AM

Been looking for a lawyer for an NFA Trust in the city as well. Let me know if you find one!

**ieatz28** · December 12th, 2011, 06:48 PM

I created a NFA Trust through Joshua Prince's law firm. I had a very good experience, and it was all done over the phone.
http://www.pafirearmslawyer.com/

Good luck,
Jeff

**FromMyColdDeadHands** · December 12th, 2011, 07:02 PM

I would recommend Harrison Butler of Defense Resources Corp. in Bucks County, PA. GREAT guy, lawyer and class 3 firearms dealer.

**GUNNUT55** · December 12th, 2011, 08:05 PM

YOU CAN NOT OWN A PISTOL OR EVEN PURCHASE PISTOL AMMO UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY ONE. IF THE PISTOL IS GIVEN AS A GIFT, WELL JUST SAY YOU WONT GET A STRAIGHT ANWSER FROM ATF UNLESS YOUR IN A COURT ROOM IN THE DEFENCE CHAIR. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE WEAPON INTO A PISTOL MODEL IT EXACTLY AS THE KEL-TEC PLR AND YOU SHOULD BE OK. ANY DEVIATION AND I WOULD RECCOMEND YOU WRITE THE ATF AND WAIT FOR WRITTEN CLAIRIFACATION.. TO MANY VARIABLES IN THE COMBINATIONS OF BARREL LENGTH AND OVERALL LENGTH, PISTOL, CARBINE,SBR, AND RIFLE.. I AM A FFL 07 AND I WOULD NOT BUILD IT WITHOUT A LOVE LETTER FROM THE ATF

**forceinPA** · December 12th, 2011, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by GUNNUT55

YOU CAN NOT OWN A PISTOL OR EVEN PURCHASE PISTOL AMMO UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY ONE. IF THE PISTOL IS GIVEN AS A GIFT, WELL JUST SAY YOU WONT GET A STRAIGHT ANWSER FROM ATF UNLESS YOUR IN A COURT ROOM IN THE DEFENCE CHAIR. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE WEAPON INTO A PISTOL MODEL IT EXACTLY AS THE KEL-TEC PLR AND YOU SHOULD BE OK. ANY DEVIATION AND I WOULD RECCOMEND YOU WRITE THE ATF AND WAIT FOR WRITTEN CLAIRIFACATION.. TO MANY VARIABLES IN THE COMBINATIONS OF BARREL LENGTH AND OVERALL LENGTH, PISTOL, CARBINE,SBR, AND RIFLE.. I AM A FFL 07 AND I WOULD NOT BUILD IT WITHOUT A LOVE LETTER FROM THE ATF

Stop yer yell"in dude. As far as the question about receiver's You are correct it's listed on the 4473 as a reciever. The dealer is incorrect. Don't write any letter's to the ATF no need too. I would just have your dad buy you a complete pistol as a gift, and skip the stripped lower, it look's better on paper that way.