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  1. #1
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    Default wouldn't take my application

    Just got back from the Gun Unit. They wouldn't take my application because I was born in Nurnberg, Germany and they want proof that I was born on a military base as I say I am.

    In all of my life I have never had to give anyone paperwork that says I was born to military parents overseas.

    I can't imagine this is legal, but we know of course that Philadelphia will do everything in their power to not issue you a LTCF or take your application. Not accepting the application is probably the easiest way for them to defacto deny applicants.

    Now I have to call my mom and make sure that my birth certificate says that I am a US citizen. It's been about 10 years since I've seen it but I think it does.

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    It seems their instructions were written by someone who doesn't understand the law (big surprise).

    f. Foreign born applicants who are presently American citizens must bring their
    naturalization papers, passports are not acceptable
    http://www.phillypolice.com/assets/d...pplication.pdf

    Foreign-born US citizens have no naturalization papers.

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    OK, so they require proof of citizenship.....

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    Quote Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
    It seems their instructions were written by someone who doesn't understand the law (big surprise).



    http://www.phillypolice.com/assets/d...pplication.pdf

    Foreign-born US citizens have no naturalization papers.
    Yeah... you should have seen the look on my face. I said, "What? I'm a citizen by birth! Not a naturalized citizen!"

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    Quote Originally Posted by ar15jules View Post
    OK, so they require proof of citizenship.....
    Great... they wouldn't accept my United Stated Passport which clearly states I am a US citizen. Besides... can they do that legally as a part of the application?

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    Quote Originally Posted by teriaki View Post
    Besides... can they do that legally as a part of the application?
    They can do whatever they want until they get sued in court and are forced to stop doing what they are doing.
    The 2A does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not INFRINGE our right.

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    Quote Originally Posted by teriaki View Post
    Great... they wouldn't accept my United Stated Passport which clearly states I am a US citizen. Besides... can they do that legally as a part of the application?
    Probably not. By my understanding they can't legally take fingerprints, make you wait more than 45 days for your license, or deny you for parking tickets either, but the only thing that might stand a chance of stopping it is legal and perhaps media intervention.

    At least it won't do you any harm to have a copy of your birth certificate on hand. It doesn't come in handy often, but when it does, it's real handy. Make sure it's a certified copy, if possible.

    -cc

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    My dad had the same thing happen to him when he went and applied for a passport. He was born in Germany (on a military base) and it took forever to straighten out...

    good luck!

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    They got stung with Obama and didn't want to do it again.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.

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    Default Re: wouldn't take my application

    If I remember right when a child is born overseas to American parents on base, when he turns 21 he has the option of taking on the citizenship of either the country he was born in or the United States. I have two brothers born in Germany and two sisters born in Greenland when they turned 21 they had the option of either citizenship one or the other but not both. Apparently it was not hard for them to take on U.S. citizenship since they were all still in the armed forces at the time.
    TET 68 Survivor --- U. S. Navy 1963 - 1972

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