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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandcut View Post
    if proven to be mentally ill in a manner in which he was a threat to his girlfriend, or anyone else for that matter, how would it not be justifiable?
    At that point, it would be, but the police skipped a few steps (IMO). 18 Pa.C.S. §(c)(4) - the section that prohibits possession based on involuntary commitment - has the following caveat:
    This paragraph shall not apply to any proceeding under section 302 of the Mental Health Procedures Act unless the examining physician has issued a certification that inpatient care was necessary or that the person was committable.
    I would submit that the seizure was improper because it is impossible for the police to know the outcome of the commitment at the time they placed this man into custody. Until the condition noted above has been met, there are no legal grounds to use the commitment as a basis for the seizure.

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    I couldn't help but laugh at this:

    Bartkowski said he watched the whole incident unfold, culminating with the armored police vehicle driving up on the man's lawn.

    "It sounded like a car alarm, and then a robotic voice said, 'Dr. Scott, this is the police. We're here to help you. Pick up the phone.'"

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    that's crazy that is literally less then a mile from me

    im new to the forum found it searching for suppressors not a silencer

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Ward said police initially believed the man had many more weapons than they later found in the house — including several automatic weapons. The man once had a special federal permit to possess the guns, but the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives revoked that permit and confiscated the automatic weapons, police said.

    The man, who hasn't been charged with a crime, was taken into custody by 4 a.m. No one was injured and school began on time, officials said.
    He probably had a Class III license, on the "slow" track. That's $500 a year. Your records are subject to inspection at any time.

    If the man has a "reason" they can yank the Dealer's license.


    Let's hope that he gets his property back, otherwise that's a taking without Due Process.

    Now I know in the land of Civil Forfeiture that taking isn't a big deal like it used to be, but that says nothing good about Civil Forfeiture either.

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCC View Post
    He probably had a Class III license, on the "slow" track. That's $500 a year. Your records are subject to inspection at any time.

    If the man has a "reason" they can yank the Dealer's license.


    Let's hope that he gets his property back, otherwise that's a taking without Due Process.

    Now I know in the land of Civil Forfeiture that taking isn't a big deal like it used to be, but that says nothing good about Civil Forfeiture either.
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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Quote Originally Posted by STBear View Post
    Really! Nothing like firing up a 7 year old thread.
    If at first you don't succeed try a different angle.

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    Really! Nothing like firing up a 7 year old thread.
    I thought that too, but it is the to post in the "similar threads" section on the thread about the Waikiki cache.

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Quote Originally Posted by Remington788 View Post
    I thought that too, but it is the to post in the "similar threads" section on the thread about the Waikiki cache.
    and here I'm getting pissed because the story wasnt coming up, then I realized someone dug up a grave...

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    What ever happened to the old guy on 611 in Ottsville with the "cache" a year or two ago?

    I never heard any follow up on that one either.

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    Default Re: cache of weapons found in falls twp

    Quote Originally Posted by LilEMT View Post
    There is very strict criteria to be involuntarily commited. The petitioner must prove that you are a harm to yourself, others or can no longer take care of yourself. No doctor will commit just for owning firearms and not agreeing with the government. It's also a two doctor process to 302 someone.
    I don't have your level of confidence, here.

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