Ruby Ridge

[sjl127]

What's your take on this?

[knight0334]

The wife got a raw deal for sure. Excessive and unnecessary force to bring in someone for $200 of unpaid taxes.

[Pa. Patriot]

The wife got a raw deal for sure. Excessive and unnecessary force to bring in someone for $200 of unpaid taxes.

...$200 in taxes for a shotgun OAL that was unknowingly too short and arguably a entrapment.

[netw0rkpenguin]

The wife got a raw deal for sure. Excessive and unnecessary force to bring in someone for $200 of unpaid taxes.

The kids too

[TonyF]

BATF leadership exercised poor judgment. U.S. Marshall's office was misled. FBI also exercised poor judgment.

Reason? Those agencies consist of people who, as in all walks of life, sometimes make bad decisions for various reasons such as personal career path ambitions.

That's why we need moral and ethical people as decision makers. Especially within agencies that have police and arrest powers.

ETA: More so with Judges. They are our last line of non-violent defense against the tyranny of the executive and legislative branches of government.

[Mtbkski]

Whatever happened to the guy recently down south that was holed up in his "fortress style home" refusing to pay taxes?? I never heard the aftermath of this one.

[netw0rkpenguin]

Whatever happened to the guy recently down south that was holed up in his "fortress style home" refusing to pay taxes?? I never heard the aftermath of this one.

Him and his wife were taken into custody without a violent encounter, many of the people who brought weapons/material support were arrested and charged with aiding fugitives.

[PA Rifleman]

Excessive force, to say the least. Followed by a large payout in exchange for closure:

"
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DAG
TUESDAY, AUGUST 15, 1995 (202) 616-2777
TDD (202) 514-1888


CIVIL SUITS SETTLED IN RUBY RIDGE CASE


The Department of Justice announced today that it has
resolved all claims by the Randy Weaver family against the United
States and its employees.

Under the settlement, each of the three children of Vicki
Weaver will receive $1 million and her husband Randy will receive
$100,000 to resolve $200 million in claims filed by the family
after the deaths of Mrs. Weaver and her 14-year-old son, Samuel,
at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in August, 1992.

The settlement reflects the loss to the Weaver children of
their mother and brother. By entering into a settlement, the
United States hopes to take a substantial step toward healing the
wounds the incident inflicted.

Samuel Weaver was killed on August 21, 1992 in a firefight
with U.S. Marshals that left Samuel and Deputy U.S. Marshal
William Degan dead. Marshals were surveilling the property in
preparation for serving an arrest warrant on Randy Weaver.

Mrs. Weaver was accidentally killed the next day when a
bullet fired by an FBI agent struck her as she stood out of sight
behind a cabin door.

The United States does not admit wrongdoing or legal
liability to the plaintiffs.

At the instance of the government, the settlement agreement
explicitly provides that nothing in its language is intended to
interfere with or reduce the availability of information or
evidence in connection with the incident.


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95-444"

To quote an old friend opining about the local color in gun shows:

"Here's a table dedicated to sniping. He sells sniper rifles, sniper scopes, sniper ammo, sniper clothes, sniper books, sniper bumper stickers, sniper posters, sniper conversion kits for 10-22's, sniper jacket pathes and how to snipe video tapes. Quite a crowd too. The seller is telling some youngsters about the brave and noble Waffen SS snipers who would hold their fire while old Russian women crossed the street with their babies. Made sour mental note that perhaps Waffen SS snipers might be a level above Lon Horiuchi."

(original post)

Whatever happened to the guy recently down south that was holed up in his "fortress style home" refusing to pay taxes?? I never heard the aftermath of this one.

Surrendered, no injuries.

[fultonCoShooter]

you dont shoot a boys dog in front of him.

[billamj]

I might also suggest that you don't shoot a woman with a child in her arms especially when you can clearly see that it is a child.