nationwide reciprocity bill H.R. 822 from NRA website

[c45man]

I received the same response today to my letter that I sent around New Years. I appreciated the prompt response, but the response itself leaves something to be desired. I'm still waiting to hear back from Casey, and won't even hold out for a response from Sens. Reid, McConnell, Leahy, or Grassley.

Your wasting your breath, ink, or postage writing or calling a senator not representing your home state. I am glad you are not holding out, for they will not even respond.

The senate is controlled by democrats and they will not call any legislation up for a vote if it will embarass the president. No win situation for OBama. If he vetoes it, which he would, it would indicate discord in the party. If OBama signs it, the liberals, who are not all happy with him, would be less enthused about his leadership.

[eng63]

Just read this and thought I'd share..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...guns-2nd-term/

[9orangeletters]

That is the best chicken little impression I've seen in a very long time.

[soberbyker]

Just read this and thought I'd share..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...guns-2nd-term/

I like the comment by joedoakes202 (posted here in case it disappears, it seems a lot of comments were removed)

Dear President Obama;

Every year some new idea about how to make our streets safer via “Gun Control” arrives in New York. We’ve registered our guns. Violent crime continues. We’ve banned assault weapons. Violent crime continues. We ballistically identify our legally possessed pistols. Violent crime continues. There are 200 to 300 million firearms in this country - they are woven into the fabric of our society. For all the “wiz bang” technology that modern society has invented - rifles and pistols are still the foundation of our national and state defense. Thousands of times an hour they are used to dissuade another from pursuing an ill advised path; whether in the hand of a police officer or a private citizen. Yes - accidents and tragedies happen, and a mature society must look itself in the mirror and draw the proper conclusions from these horrible events, but to think that by passing law upon law the public at large will somehow be magically made safer via “gun control” is psychotic and dangerous.

I and many of you witnessed the attacks on September 11, 2001. Had those pilots - many of whom were ex military officers - been required to carry a side arm; that day would have ended much differently. Imagine all the lives and treasure that could have been saved but for an irrational fear of the law abiding gun owner. Can any of you honestly say that over the past few decades your collective efforts have made New Yorkers safer? If any of you answered yes then you must take a close look at the FBI statistics on violent crime - you’ll find disappointment waiting for you. No law can urge the lawless to ask permission from anyone for anything. Remember ladies and gentleman criminals, terrorists, and sub human miscreants are dumb, but they are not stupid.

The latest iteration of this policy is the idea that putting a serial number on a bullet casing as it ejects from a semi-automatic pistol will allow law enforcement to detect and thus incarcerate more criminals - this is also referred to as micro-stamping. So let us pretend that all of you are now criminals - how would you alter your behavior to avoid detection? Police your brass. Use a sawed off shotgun. Use a revolver. Gasoline and a match are very effective. Explosives work exceedingly well in motor vehicles. Poison - women seem to prefer this method - Spitzer should hire a food tester. There are very effective ways of killing people that never include a semi-automatic pistol. Not to mention the most obvious trick - remove the firing pin and file off the serializing mechanism. What about something even more devious - picking up used serialized brass at a firing range and place it at the scene of the future crime to throw off the police. Serializing casings of pistol cartridges not only will not work, but it will create more permutations of that section of the population of New York State that are hell bent on killing for profit or psychosis.

New York State currently operates a system that ostensibly should be doing what micro-stamping or serializing a cartridge would do. That system is called “The New York State Combined Ballistic Identification System,” or COBIS. To date COBIS has cost the taxpayers of New York $30,000,000 and has produced only two matches in its database. It costs $4,000,000 per year to operate. We are not the only State to have attempted such foolishness - Maryland has attempted it also. The only difference is Maryland abandoned it because firearms possessed by law abiding citizens are use to commit crimes in infinitesimally rare circumstances. I could fill five pages with all I know of ballistic identification and it’s pros and cons - I sincerely suggest all of you educate yourselves and rethink New York's current approach - last I checked New York was running a $5,000,000,000 deficit saving a few million here or there might start adding up to real money.

Many proven methods work to prevent crime, a solid basic education in how to behave in civil society, economic growth, engaged and active parents, etc. But the most effective methods that exist for reducing crime is self defense and long term humane incarceration for those who cannot coexist peacefully with their fellow citizens. New York State concealed carry law is a mess - some counties provide permits to law abiding citizens with out much hassle while others, “you have to know somebody.” Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Don’t get me wrong - have stringent rules and requirements that are not capricious for the officials as well as the applicants, but stop deluding yourselves in thinking that permit holders and firearms are in and of themselves the enemy - the opposite is true - concealed carry holders are the most productive and law abiding segment of society. Florida maintains excellent statistics on this point - less then one hundredth of one percent of all permit holders has ever committed any crime in its entire thirty year history of concealed carry! Before Elliot Sptitzers behavior was detected he let 200 murderers out of prison. These people did not steal a loaf of bread to feed their children - THEY KILLED AND RAPED PEOPLE. Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Bring back the death penalty for criminals that take an officers life.

Please stop attacking me and my fellow firearms owners we neither deserve your ire or your ad hominem attacks. Focus your efforts on what works and not what will get any of you reelected, stop using firearms as a means to win votes in an effort to demonstrate to your misguided constituents that you can save them from violent crime if only they surrender more of their forgotten liberty, when the opposite is true - even they at some point will recognize your hypocrisy for what it is.


Respectfully,

Joe Doakes

[press1280]

So will it proceed through Senate or be used as fodder for the Election

I was just informed, the Dems will sit on it as it will hurt them possibly

I've heard this was never meant to go as a stand-alone bill. The Dems won't let it out of the judiciary committee. But, if a GOP senator proposes it as a rider to a must pass piece of legislation(like the payroll tax), then the Dems will be forced to vote it down. And there's definitely a few Dems that don't want to be put in that position,as their re-elections would take a hit when the NRA turns the screws on them.

[jpjh88]

Be careful about this. The major holdup between states is a mandatory training requirement including live fire training. That is why a lot of states do not honor the PA LTCF.

Nothing in the text right now requires training, this bill has already passed the House of Representatives and is in Committee in the Senate. Since the issuance of licensing is a State controlled process, there is very little that they can do to change that.

Right now 29 States honor the PA LTCF, 9 States do not honor any permit or license issued by another state. Only 11 States do not honor the PA LTCF, and its not because of training, its mainly because PA does not honor their permits.

[Curmudgeon]

Nothing in the text right now requires training, this bill has already passed the House of Representatives and is in Committee in the Senate. Since the issuance of licensing is a State controlled process, there is very little that they can do to change that.

Right now 29 States honor the PA LTCF, 9 States do not honor any permit or license issued by another state. Only 11 States do not honor the PA LTCF, and its not because of training, its mainly because PA does not honor their permits.

Interesting. Do you have a source for the part I bolded?