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August 29th, 2011, 08:36 PM #111
Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
As far as I know, you are the only person to ever insinuate that I am paranoid for trying to make sure that my possessions and family's safety are secure.
I would think that if I was indeed paranoid, I would also think that there were others thinking the same way about me as you do, but I don't. But I'm a truck driver, not a psychiatrist, what do I know.
You're entitled to your opinion.
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August 29th, 2011, 10:53 PM #112Banned
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Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
Well let's see, we have a gun that needs to be wedged down between a bed frame to discharge (and then, maybe), vs some guns that any kid can shoot in about 2 seconds flat. Have you ever fired or handled a P7?
And where are we during the whole time where this kid is jamming our P7 down his bed frame? Again, the harder the gun is to discharge, the more time it buys fate to place an adult in the room and stop the kid from hurting himself.
Anyway, which do you think is the better choice in a house with kids? A gun that he has to wedge between the wall and bureau (and really, im not seeing that one happening), or a Glock that a retarded monkey can fire in about 2 seconds flat?
Seems obvious to me.
Obviously, it'd be best if the kids could never get the guns. But if they do, some designs are far more forgiving than others.
Far, far, far more forgiving.
For instance, if a weapon has a magazine safety, and Jr. manages to hit the mag release button and pop the mag out, then the weapon is inert in any case. That feature alone does not make a gun much safer, but when all the other layers of safety systems are added in- ie, long DA trigger, manual safety, locked up in a drawer or safe....the layers all compliment each other.
With kids, the more layers the better.
With a gun like a glock, the kid doesn't have to do anything imaginative. It just has to pull that short, light trigger...and boom. That could literally happen in under 1 second of the child picking the gun up.Last edited by Valorius; August 29th, 2011 at 10:58 PM.
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August 29th, 2011, 11:10 PM #113Grand Member
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Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
Some guns are harder to fire than others. A gun like the P7 is probably the most difficult for a small child to fire. It might add vital seconds to the time it takes for a kid to kill someone, which is good, I think most of the push back you've had is the suggestion (intentional or otherwise) that it in any way makes the gun safe to be left accessible to kids.
The length of this argument is really out of all proportion to its importance. It's like arguing over whether you should store tylenol or ibuprofen in your medicine cabinet based on which is the most dangerous for your kids to eat by the handful. It's a minor detail, the most important thing is helping kids understand the dangers of firearms and preventing unsupervised access to them.
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August 29th, 2011, 11:30 PM #114Banned
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Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
Well if people think i think any gun is safe to leave around a toddler, i surely do not.
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August 29th, 2011, 11:51 PM #115Grand Member
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August 29th, 2011, 11:54 PM #116Banned
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Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
I would hope that people would see that if their kid somehow got a handgun in their hands, that the P7 is the one least likely to kill that child, and probably by a very wide margin.
During the decades that the P7 was a widely used police and military pistol, all over the world, many users were disarmed of their pistols. Yet in all that time, no P7 owner was ever shot with his own pistol, due to the unique squeeze cocking system. Even adrenaline charged felons don't know that the cocker has to be squeezed. It's not just a matter of strength. It's a matter of no other pistol operating in the same fashion as the P7 as well. (Source: Massad Ayoob)Last edited by Valorius; August 29th, 2011 at 11:58 PM.
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August 30th, 2011, 12:14 AM #117
Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
Like I was saying earlier, I don't think anyone is saying that any firearm is safe to be left laying around within the reach of children.
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August 30th, 2011, 01:22 AM #118Banned
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Re: Storing a gun loaded w/kids in the house
Not even a P7.
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