Trust Sample I used

[Maryland_Shooter]

Worked for me - it should work for you. Why beg a CLEO when you can just get it direct from ATF?

Holler back when the stamp comes in and of course pics of the NFA item are required

[cds_arms]

Exactly. The trust only took the time to research the legalities and there was no bother from 3rd parties. I believe it is the way to go. I researched online for quite a while and your trust was one of the best I found, so I used it with some other mods and it was good to go. Thanks again!

Here's a shot of a few pistols. Can't wait to put the stock on the AR!

[Maryland_Shooter]

Glad to hear it - I worked on it to make it decent - spent a few hours in the law books - which I enjoy anyway.

So when you get approved, perhaps you will share your work as well and PA residents can avoid the CLEO all together.

[cds_arms]

Glad to hear it - I worked on it to make it decent - spent a few hours in the law books - which I enjoy anyway.

So when you get approved, perhaps you will share your work as well and PA residents can avoid the CLEO all together.

Yes, I can post mine up when I can confirm it works lol. I didn't have to really change much, the PA laws aren't any tighter, I simply put in a few sentences about the transfer of NFA property only if the person is legally able to own it.

Now the real problems will occur when you want to change the sucessor trustees and such. Do you simply amend the document and have it notarized? Do you need to keep the old document?

[Maryland_Shooter]

Yes, I can post mine up when I can confirm it works lol. I didn't have to really change much, the PA laws aren't any tighter, I simply put in a few sentences about the transfer of NFA property only if the person is legally able to own it.

Now the real problems will occur when you want to change the sucessor trustees and such. Do you simply amend the document and have it notarized? Do you need to keep the old document?

yep = amend and keep the entite thing

[cds_arms]

yep = amend and keep the entite thing

Great, thanks! I'll post my 'PA friendly' trust when I get my stamp.

[Maryland_Shooter]

Great, thanks! I'll post my 'PA friendly' trust when I get my stamp.

Thanks - you will be providing a useful service to PA shooters with CLEO problems.

[ACRblaze]

Just went see Joshua Prince today and picked up my trust. It looks like a novel and there is a lot of firearm specific laungage.

[ChamberedRound]

I just want to take a minute and make sure everyone here realizes a few important points. The OP is a non-PA resident, who's not a lawyer, providing a template for a legal document used to create a legal entity whose creation isn't identical from state to state.

The creation of a trust is a relatively big deal, even when its purpose isn't for firearms. It's an even bigger deal when the primary purpose of its creation is for matters pertaining to federal firearms laws, specifically ownership and transfer of heavily regulated items such a automatic weapons, DDs, AOWs, etc.

I don't think I have to tell everyone how serious the federal government is when it comes to Class3/Title II arms. While I don't believe this thread is violating any forum rules given the OP's disclaimer, I do believe it's walking a fine line of armchair lawyering.

I urge everyone here to be EXTREMELY cautious about making use of boilerplate legal documents, especially in the absence of legal counsel. Remember folks, this isn't a game; you screw up, the consequences are very real. Trying to save a buck on the front-end could very well cost you your freedom, your families, and few years of your life.

[ungawa]

I'd like to add to that.

Just because you think "it works" does not make it valid. I see "it works" too many times in this thread. The ATF approving a Form 1 or Form 4 does not mean your trust is real. They have approved transfers to trusts in the past and later found problems with them. I am not a lawyer but I can guess that if you get in trouble or they decide they want to get you for something they will take a much harder look at the trust.

For whatever it's worth. I'm not qualified or learned enough to know what it is worth, I just simply know enough to know that the risk is not zero.