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July 31st, 2011, 07:04 AM #21
Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
In reality the enviroment will chose where/if you can move.
There are no cut and dry ansewrs once you get into this realm. As Randy Cain would day "there is no tactical rolodex."
I know I sound like Im just beating a monotone biard on thsi drum, but here it goes anyway.
Seek out and attend professional firearms training from reputable instructors.
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July 31st, 2011, 07:21 AM #22Super Member
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Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
Seek out and attend professional firearms training from reputable instructors.
I am a firearms instructor for a police department. I probably should have mentioned this sooner, but I have been asked to submit a new course of fire for the department's qualification course. The reason I originally posted is because I am seeking documentation about what direction is best to move in if someone draws a gun on you. Part of the qualification will involve moving out of the line of fire and I want to make sure the different stages in the course of fire are backed up with documentation. I recalled reading a few years ago that it is statistically better to move to the gun-side of the shooter (your left if they are right handed) but I could not find that source. This led me to post asking for any documentation about which direction is generally better to move in, assuming everything else is equal (distance to and type of cover, etc.). I know that simply taking a step to one side and then firing a few times is not sufficient movement, but I also have to work with what I have.
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July 31st, 2011, 08:34 AM #23
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July 31st, 2011, 08:53 AM #24Super Member
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Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
You're absolutely right. This drive to not just stay alive, but to overcome one's lethal opponent no matter what and thrive afterwards is critical. There are so many documented shootings where a person was critically wounded or should have been put down by their injuries but they kept on fighting, sometimes even pursuing their attacker on foot while many other times a person with an otherwise non-fatal injury dies "of their injuries" simply because they did not have the will to overcome the obstacle of being injured and stay alive.
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July 31st, 2011, 01:52 PM #25Grand Member
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Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
I get the importance of mindset, but mindset is about far more than expressing slogans on a gun board. Slogans about "winning" don't carry much value without an acceptance of reality, i.e., the direness of the stated situation, and therefore HOW exactly you expect to "win."
IMO, the right mindset does not come about from blanket statements about "winning" regardless of specifics. It comes about from having a solid game plan, and the technical/physical wherewithal to realize that game plan....and THAT was what I thought the OP was looking for, not platitudes.
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July 31st, 2011, 01:56 PM #26Grand Member
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Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
Generally accepted by whom? No instructor I know of would say it's preferable to stay and exchange gunfire if you had the chance to reach cover and/or escape.
Again, shooting your adversary is a means to an end, NOT the end. Confusing means and ends is not a path to "winning."
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July 31st, 2011, 02:59 PM #27
Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
I've been a firearms instructor for a lot of years, and I've never seen any "documentation" about which side is best to step towards. In a real life situation you have a million things to process, and adding one more (is the shooter left or right handed) is just.....nonsense. Move!!! Now!!!
You side step to, as the phrase goes......get off the "X". X is where the bad guy is going to be shooting at, so move!! I've implemented the side step in our qualifications several years ago. Do to range restrictions, we are limited in our side to side movement, but it is stressed that you should be moving several steps, not just one.
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July 31st, 2011, 08:13 PM #28
Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
Every group of instructors I have ever paid.
No instructor I know of would say it's preferable to stay and exchange gunfire if you had the chance to reach cover and/or escape.
Next time you lay down your money for training, find somebody that can explain to you the difference between what I said and what you think I said. Because I know you are not interested in what I think.
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July 31st, 2011, 08:19 PM #29Grand Member
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Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
I've laid down plenty of money for training, and I'm confident none of those instructors said or implied anything like what you're saying. Rather than pay more money, the more fundamental approach is for you to state your position clearer. I'm not yet at the place indicated by your last sentence, but a continued lack of clarity might get me there.
Can we try for clear, unambiguous statements rather than more vague aphorisms? That goes for me too, if you think I'm being unclear.
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July 31st, 2011, 08:31 PM #30
Re: Question about side-stepping to the left
Yes, absolutely. I have to apologize, sorry about that. (sincerely)
To rephrase, It's about mindset. It is generally accepted that the will to survive is more likely to get you killed in a gunfight than the determination to win. A determined warrior never hesitates at any chance to defeat his foe.
If your instructors don't teach you that, then fine. I never said to avoid the use of cover. I said it was about mindset. And, if you are not aware of this, then it is not something I can teach over the Internet. Mindset is certainly not something that I can convince somebody of that disagrees with me on the premise to begin with. Maybe you are right, let's just leave it at that. No instructor ever brought it up for you, go with what you know. Not going to argue about it.
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