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July 26th, 2011, 10:52 PM #101
Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
$1600 AR.
Buy a BCM lower and a BCM upper. Also buy a red dot if that's your thing.
You should have just enough money left to take a class. Use that opportunity to see if you need anything else. Look at what gun the instructor is using, chances are its a simple AR.
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July 26th, 2011, 11:10 PM #102Banned
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July 26th, 2011, 11:47 PM #103
Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
Nothing dishonest in my post. Recoil is more, weight is more and not sure about the accuracy. But I can tell you this I get sub MOA from my LMT with 5 shots, steel case hornady 55grn practice ammo and that's with a 14.5" barrel.
If it were me and I had 1600.00 to spend on an AR I would not get a piston AR. I would either get the Colt 6920 for under 1K as mentioned in this thread, or a BCM, DD or Noveske and spend the balance on optics or ammo or both. For 1600.00 all he would get is a rifle if he got a LWRC, then comes additional cost for other things such as ammo and optics if he decides he wants an optic.
I just recently bought a ACR because I wanted something differant, I already have 5 AR's. I like it but in all reality if it were my first rifle I was buying I'd get a DI AR first and it would be one of the ones mentioned many times in this thread. DD, BCM, Colt or Noveske.
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July 27th, 2011, 08:45 AM #104Senior Member
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Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
Out of curiosity how does the M6-SL and 416 stack up against that Mil-Spec list???
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July 27th, 2011, 08:52 AM #105Senior Member
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Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
I was looking for the post to quote but I couldn't find it ... In regards to Lowers being basically the same if I was to go the build route and just buy a complete upper and complete lower (I know not really a build) and bought the LMT Defender lower with the Sopmod stock and 2 stage trigger for around $425 shipped am I overpaying???
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July 27th, 2011, 08:58 AM #106
Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
The issue there is that a "mil spec" for piston conversions does not exist. Extractors are still important, as is carrier weight, and the testing of the bolt, but LWRC has some different bolt that likely exceeds mil spec as they need to address the more violent action of a piston conversions extraction cycle. The H&K lower is kind of different and better in terms of parts.
The biggest things with "mil spec" are removed. Gas port size, carrier weight, buffer weight, and the spring matter for cycling. A piston conversion removes the concerns there, but not without their own drawbacks. Carrier key torque, staking, and alignment matter, but are gone. And castle nut staking on the reciever extension matters and is still there. I am unsure how the gas blocks are attached, but phospate under the gas block and a pinned or screwed gas block can matter here.
I do not think that is a bad deal at all. Other places have that for around $500.Jeff Cooper was a huge supporter of gun games, when he was winning them at least...
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July 27th, 2011, 09:44 AM #107
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July 27th, 2011, 10:14 AM #108
Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
Except that we are smart enough to know how to make a short barreled DI gun work. There is less room for error in some instances, but it is not that difficult. A majority of issues with DI guns only pop up when someone buys a crappy gun. The bad rap that people place on DI has a lot to do with guns that are garbage to begin with, they just refuse to admit that some guns are of lesser quality.
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July 27th, 2011, 12:37 PM #109Banned
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July 27th, 2011, 01:01 PM #110
Re: Which AR ... LMT Daniel Defense Noveske???
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