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July 1st, 2011, 12:22 AM #1
Good OC Conversation
The wife and I went out to purchase health insurance today. As we were doing the paper work, I had to go into my wallet to retrieve my car insurance. After I opened my wallet, the insurance guy I was talking to asked me how much that permit costs. Since I have two, Utah and Pennsylvania, I asked which one. His response was, the one on your side We got to chat about the legality of OC, no permit needed to purchase a pistol, how you can not by a pistol as a gift for a non direct family member, reciprocity, calibers, and so on. I did pass on the PAFOA site address, so hopefully he checks it out. I usually do not post positive encounters; however, I have to admit this is the best encounter I have had!!
Note to the gentleman I chatted with if your reading. Good luck to you and your gf! Be safe.Last edited by Fraggle09027; July 1st, 2011 at 12:24 AM.
Fraggle09027 is not a lawyer. Any advice is just advice (my own 2 cents) and is not expressed or implied as legal advice.
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July 1st, 2011, 07:17 AM #2
Re: Good OC Conversation
He should have said "Is that Nationwide on your side?" OH!
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July 1st, 2011, 07:51 AM #3
Re: Good OC Conversation
I thought that carrying a gun was health insurance?
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July 1st, 2011, 08:17 AM #4
Re: Good OC Conversation
Originally Posted by Fraggle09027
ETA:
http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...f-p-5300-4.pdf
Originally Posted by ATFLast edited by bac0nfat; July 1st, 2011 at 08:22 AM.
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July 1st, 2011, 01:55 PM #5
Re: Good OC Conversation
Fraggle09027 is not a lawyer. Any advice is just advice (my own 2 cents) and is not expressed or implied as legal advice.
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July 1st, 2011, 02:02 PM #6
Re: Good OC Conversation
One down side however, I know it would be illegal for LEO's to use the purchase db as a registry, but reality shows they do. If illegally stopped for OC'ing, or any other reason a LEO checks the firearm against the purchase register one may have an issue keeping the gun, and he/she would have to jump through hoops to get it back. IMHO, I would rather receive a gift certificate, and then go do the paper work on my own. Therefore, if an instance would arise I would have a little less of a headache. Myself, I would print a picture of the gun I wanted to gift, and attach a gift card to it for the full amount.
Fraggle09027 is not a lawyer. Any advice is just advice (my own 2 cents) and is not expressed or implied as legal advice.
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July 1st, 2011, 02:12 PM #7
Re: Good OC Conversation
I think you still will need to transfer it to that person through an FFL, once you give it to them. Hopefully someone else can chime in here, if not then we should send GL a PM.
My guess is, you can buy the gun as a gift for someone without their knowledge, but once you give it to them, you will both need to go to an FFL and do the transfer.
ETA: I sent GunLawyer001 a PM, hopefully he'll chime in.Last edited by bac0nfat; July 1st, 2011 at 02:18 PM.
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July 1st, 2011, 02:49 PM #8
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July 1st, 2011, 03:01 PM #9
Re: Good OC Conversation
That was what I though was correct. My point of explaining outside family members, you can not "just give a gf a gun". I was shocked by your post stating it was legal, but IMNAL.
From bac0nfat
Where a person purchases a firearm
with the intent of making a gift of the
firearm to another person, the person
making the purchase is indeed the true
purchaser. There is no straw purchaser
in these instances. In the above example,
if Mr. Jones had bought a firearm
with his own money to give to Mr. Smith
as a birthday present, Mr. Jones could
lawfully have completed Form 4473.Last edited by Fraggle09027; July 1st, 2011 at 03:08 PM.
Fraggle09027 is not a lawyer. Any advice is just advice (my own 2 cents) and is not expressed or implied as legal advice.
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July 1st, 2011, 03:19 PM #10
Re: Good OC Conversation
It's legal to buy a gun with the intent to give it to someone else. That part I know is 100% true. What I'm unsure of, is do you still need to transfer it through an FFL from the giver to the "giftee" after the initial purchase is made?
My original post still holds true; that is taken directly off the ATF website.
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