Picking up a Saiga-12 tomorrow

[wally36]

Anybody know any good sites that sell quality aftermarket parts? What upgrades are 100% necessary?

[P89]

http://www.saiga-12.com/

[FNG19]

Anybody know any good sites that sell quality aftermarket parts? What upgrades are 100% necessary?

What P89 said -- definitely go visit the forums on saiga-12.com. Before you do anything to or with your Saiga, make sure you look into 922(r) and why it matters. There's lots of great info on saiga-12.com about it, and there are probably other resources out there as well. It's easy to run afoul of that law without intending to, so please understand what the story is.

The other nice thing about the saiga forum is that many of the aftermarket guys are regular posters and have an active presence there. You can ask questions about aftermarket parts and may wind up hearing right from the manufacturer of the part about it.

Congratulations on the purchase, by the way! The Saiga is a great platform, and a whole lot of fun. It's also a great conversation piece at the range!

[chupa]

remember 922r, I ordered 90% of everything I needed from "Carolina Shooters Supply". Congratulations it's an ongoing addiction. I have 1 and have ideas and parts for 4 more....

[partsman]

i would not recommend mississippi auto arms at all tried using them 3 different times an all 3 times they screwed my order up. they have very poor communication no confirmation email or shipping or tracking email they just bill your card an when you get it you get it. and your very lucky if you call gets answered.
as for css excellent place to deal with very quick shipping great communication i wouldn't hesitate using them again

[scoutjoe]

I really like Chaos products because he overbuilds things, that and makes evil pointy marshmallow roasters that scare Sarah Brady. There are many different places to buy parts from but I think that Carolina Shooters Supply is the quickest. All sorts of aftermarket goodies can be found over on the Saiga-12 forum linked up above.


From mild to wild you can find it there and loose you're shirt.

[wally36]

As of now all I really want for it is a nice wooden stock set and some 10 round mags n maybe a drum but is there anything I have to do to convert this like the 7.62 Saiga?

[P89]

As of now all I really want for it is a nice wooden stock set and some 10 round mags n maybe a drum but is there anything I have to do to convert this like the 7.62 Saiga?

FNG19 is right, understand 922r.

http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

The Magic Number 10
This is an attempt to offer a better understanding of the 922r rule and is by no means an attempt to give official legal advice.



Title 18 Chapter 44 Section 922(r) of the United States Code, defined further by Title 27 Part 478.39 of the Code of Federal Regulation (CFR), ambiguously restricts semiautomatic rifles and shotguns to no more 10 imported parts from a list of 20 parts.



This one section containing a few paragraphs creates far too much confusion. This short synopsis is an attempt to clarify, in simple terms, the 922r regulation. Hopefully this can offer a simple way to evaluate your rifle or shotgun in order to easily assess what you need to do to ensure your rifle is compliant.



When considering compliance the big thing to keep in mind is the magic number 10! The infinite wisdom of the federal government has decided that it is unlawful for your semi-auto rifle or shotgun to have more than 10 imported parts from their select list of 20 parts. Many describe this in terms of U.S. parts count, but in reality this should be the foreign parts count. Now this is where the debate occurs.



27 C.F.R. 478.89 lists 20 parts:


(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings

(2) Barrels

(3) Barrel extensions

(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)

(5) Muzzle attachments

(6) Bolts

(7) Bolt carriers

(8) Operating rods

(9) Gas pistons

(10) Trigger housings

(11) Triggers

(12) Hammers

(13) Sears

(14) Disconnectors

(15) Butt stocks

(16) Pistol grips

(17) Forearms, hand guards

(18) Magazine bodies

(19) Followers

(20) Floorplates



Of these twenty parts, the laws states that you can have NO MORE THAN 10 imported parts on your semi-automatic rifle or shotgun. These twenty parts are meant to cover all platforms, and as you know all platforms are not the same. Without getting into specific platforms, starting out you know that you will not have to change more than 10 parts to ensure your rifle is compliant.



There are arguments like “the SKS does not have a pistol grip so that is not a compliance part for the SKS”. If your SKS has no pistol grip and you choose not to add one, then this is correct. BUT, if you buy an aftermarket stock that contains a pistol grip, you have just added a part that is in the parts list and it will count against you if it is not U.S. made. It does not matter if the platform does not have a covered part normally, it matters what you have on your rifle or shotgun.



A suggestion to ensure compliance and to understand how 922r applies to you is to:

(1) Find out all of the possible parts that apply to YOUR rifle. Below you will find a list of the parts applicable to the FAL, AK, SKS and SAIGA.

(2) Lay your rifle down and start counting. (Unloaded and safe of course)

(3) Go down the list of parts that are applicable to your rifle and find each part on your rifle. Make a check for each item you have that is a foreign part.

(4) When you get to the end, add up all the parts that you have that are foreign. If your foreign parts count adds up to ten or less then you are compliant. If not, you need to start replacing some of those foreign parts until you get down to ten or less foreign parts.



Note: TheGunWiki.com is useful for this, but be aware that the parts count used on that site consider what is standard on the weapon as applicable parts and does not consider certain extra parts, such as a pistol grip. For instance, the SKS list of parts has the Pistol Grip as N/A, but as previously mentioned, if you are adding a pistol grip it will count. Still this is a very helpful tool; just remember to look at ALL the parts to make sure you are not adding something that falls under 922r.



Now it is not always this easy, given the way the BATF may categorize parts. For instance, what is commonly seen as the Operating Rod on the SKS is seen by the BATF as a “piston extension” and does not fall under 992r. Then for some platforms like the Saiga shotguns, what looks like the piston is not. Saiga manuals define their piston for the shotgun versions as the small “puck” in front of the “bolt carrier extension” (which could easily be confused for the piston itself).



Best practice is when in doubt, ASK. Either check with the BATF or with the manufacturer of the part.



Another concern out there is the 3 compliance parts in a U.S. made magazine and if “my rifle is not compliant when I take my mag out”. Once again, think about the nature of the law. It is not the number of U.S. made parts you have; it is the number of foreign parts you have. If you have a U.S. made magazine in your weapon and your weapon is compliant with it in, by removing your magazine you are not ADDING more foreign made parts, so you continue to be compliant. Unless you put a foreign made magazine in, thus adding foreign made parts, you are not making your weapon noncompliant. The same thing applies when you are looking at a part that your weapon may not be equipped with. For instance, an SKS without a pistol grip or threaded barrel, the lack of a muzzle attachment or pistol grip, in essence, yields that part not foreign. Just ensure that if you add either item that you recount your parts again or simply make sure the item you are adding is a U.S. made part.

Below is the wording from 18 U.S.C. § 922(r) and 27 CFR 478.39
Disclaimer: This is an attempt to present this law. Information taken from this context should not be considered permission to manufacture semiautomatic rifles.



18 U.S.C. § 922(r)


It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -



(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or



(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.





27 CFR 478.39 - ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS


(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.



(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:



(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or



(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of Sec. 178.151; or



(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.



(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:



(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings

(2) Barrels

(3) Barrel extensions

(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)

(5) Muzzle attachments

(6) Bolts

(7) Bolt carriers

(8) Operating rods

(9) Gas pistons

(10) Trigger housings

(11) Triggers

(12) Hammers

(13) Sears

(14) Disconnectors

(15) Butt stocks

(16) Pistol grips

(17) Forearms, hand guards

(18) Magazine bodies

(19) Followers

(20) Floor plates

EFFECT ON STATE LAW
Expiration of the Federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances. Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local authorities.