No Florida OC...

[ZO6Vettever]

Here in Florida we have been screwed by RINO Senators. The OC bill has been amended to NO OC bill. We only hope the House turns it down so it can start over. You guys in Pa. are lucky.

[Ricochet]

I dont get it.
Florida is an easy going state and has one of the largest gun communities in the nation.

What the hell?

[knight0334]

I dont get it.
Florida is an easy going state and has one of the largest gun communities in the nation.

What the hell?

Just because there was a cultural change and a noted legal change for Shall Issue - Florida still lacks a right to carry guns and weapons. To do so you must have a license, which makes it a privilege. ...something that even many "pro-2A" law makers are in favor of. Florida also has liberal mecca's of largely populated areas like Miami, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Orlando, etc.

We're fortunate to only have (2) major liberal cesspools, with a couple smaller areas.

[LTCcarrier]

It is true. Florida is a bastion of liberalism made up of people from New York and other liberal areas. Go to a Fort Lauderdale or Palm Beach Florida gun show and the prices are much higher than for example the Valley Forge Show since the NYers are just happy to be able to buy. In FL we cannot carry into sporting events, bars, etc. Look at the crock of crap training required. Fire one round, even a wax bullet and it meets the requirements. It is just $40 to some full of crap instructor school at the gun shows. The NRA supported this Senate Liberal change that allows you to accidently show your handgun. How you will prove it was accidental when the police lock you up and when you always had that defense. Bascially we got nothing, even less than we had before. I would urge all Floridians to urge Rick Scott not to sign any such bill. Let him send it back for true open carry like PA and other such states. I am pissed and just venting.

[soberbyker]

being discussed here: http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/1344...nsor-says.html
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[LTCcarrier]

What bothers me most is the NRA-ILA is making it like it is a victory and they helped. I am a Patron Life Member and very disappointed in the NRA.

[ThomasJ]

What bothers me most is the NRA-ILA is making it like it is a victory and they helped. I am a Patron Life Member and very disappointed in the NRA.

The NRA was supporting the open carry legislation. There were a couple of other issues included in the bill, too. It is a victory. Doctors can no longer ask patients about guns, and localities can't enact ordinances stricter than state law. Instead of the entire thing being defeated, a quick amendment allowed it all to pass.

[emsjeep]

Guess I won't be OC'ing to Disney next month....

[knight0334]

Guess I won't be OC'ing to Disney next month....

IIRC, Disney prohibits all weapons anyways and has it posted at the gates. Signs have the weight of law under trespass in many instances. If you have a weapon it becomes elevated to "Armed Trespass" which is a felony.

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.—
(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1. As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or
2. If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,

commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.
(b) As used in this section, the term “unenclosed curtilage” means the unenclosed land or grounds, and any outbuildings, that are directly and intimately adjacent to and connected with the dwelling and necessary, convenient, and habitually used in connection with that dwelling.
(2)(a) Except as provided in this subsection, trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(b) If the offender defies an order to leave, personally communicated to the offender by the owner of the premises or by an authorized person, or if the offender willfully opens any door, fence, or gate or does any act that exposes animals, crops, or other property to waste, destruction, or freedom; unlawfully dumps litter on property; or trespasses on property other than a structure or conveyance, the offender commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(c) If the offender is armed with a firearm or other dangerous weapon during the commission of the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance, he or she is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. Any owner or person authorized by the owner may, for prosecution purposes, take into custody and detain, in a reasonable manner, for a reasonable length of time, any person when he or she reasonably believes that a violation of this paragraph has been or is being committed, and that the person to be taken into custody and detained has committed or is committing the violation. If a person is taken into custody, a law enforcement officer shall be called as soon as is practicable after the person has been taken into custody. The taking into custody and detention in compliance with the requirements of this paragraph does not result in criminal or civil liability for false arrest, false imprisonment, or unlawful detention.
(d) The offender commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if the property trespassed is a construction site that is:
1. Greater than 1 acre in area and is legally posted and identified in substantially the following manner: “THIS AREA IS A DESIGNATED CONSTRUCTION SITE, AND ANYONE WHO TRESPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY COMMITS A FELONY.”; or
2. One acre or less in area and is identified as such with a sign that appears prominently, in letters of not less than 2 inches in height, and reads in substantially the following manner: “THIS AREA IS A DESIGNATED CONSTRUCTION SITE, AND ANYONE WHO TRESPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY COMMITS A FELONY.” The sign shall be placed at the location on the property where the permits for construction are located. For construction sites of 1 acre or less as provided in this subparagraph, it shall not be necessary to give notice by posting as defined in s. 810.011(5).
(e) The offender commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if the property trespassed upon is commercial horticulture property and the property is legally posted and identified in substantially the following manner: “THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR HORTICULTURE PRODUCTS, AND ANYONE WHO TRESPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY COMMITS A FELONY.”
(f) The offender commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if the property trespassed upon is an agricultural site for testing or research purposes that is legally posted and identified in substantially the following manner: “THIS AREA IS A DESIGNATED AGRICULTURAL SITE FOR TESTING OR RESEARCH PURPOSES, AND ANYONE WHO TRESPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY COMMITS A FELONY.”
(g) The offender commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if the property trespassed upon is a domestic violence center certified under s. 39.905 which is legally posted and identified in substantially the following manner: “THIS AREA IS A DESIGNATED RESTRICTED SITE AND ANYONE WHO TRESPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY COMMITS A FELONY.”
(h) Any person who in taking or attempting to take any animal described in s. 379.101(19) or (20), or in killing, attempting to kill, or endangering any animal described in s. 585.01(13) knowingly propels or causes to be propelled any potentially lethal projectile over or across private land without authorization commits trespass, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. For purposes of this paragraph, the term “potentially lethal projectile” includes any projectile launched from any firearm, bow, crossbow, or similar tensile device. This section does not apply to any governmental agent or employee acting within the scope of his or her official duties.
(i) The offender commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if the property trespassed upon is an agricultural chemicals manufacturing facility that is legally posted and identified in substantially the following manner: “THIS AREA IS A DESIGNATED AGRICULTURAL CHEMICALS MANUFACTURING FACILITY, AND ANYONE WHO TRESPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY COMMITS A FELONY.”
(3) As used in this section, the term “authorized person” or “person authorized” means any owner, his or her agent, or a community association authorized as an agent for the owner, or any law enforcement officer whose department has received written authorization from the owner, his or her agent, or a community association authorized as an agent for the owner, to communicate an order to leave the property in the case of a threat to public safety or welfare.
History.—s. 35, ch. 74-383; s. 22, ch. 75-298; s. 3, ch. 76-46; s. 2, ch. 80-389; s. 34, ch. 88-381; s. 186, ch. 91-224; s. 2, ch. 94-263; s. 2, ch. 94-307; s. 48, ch. 96-388; s. 1818, ch. 97-102; s. 3, ch. 97-201; s. 5, ch. 2000-369; s. 2, ch. 2001-182; s. 47, ch. 2001-279; s. 36, ch. 2002-46; s. 14, ch. 2006-289; s. 1, ch. 2006-295; s. 2, ch. 2007-123; s. 205, ch. 2008-247.

[ThomasJ]

Disney likes to argue that since they have massive stores of fireworks for their daily shows, they fall under "companies whose primary business is to manufacture, use, store or transport explosives regulated under federal law."

It's all bs, of course, but they get away with it.