Viper's OC log

[90volts]

Thanks C

[bogey1]

Officer 2, I don't care what you think about open carry. Enforce the laws, don't break them. Jerkoffs. All of them.

[HKusp 45]

My blood pressure just went through the ceiling. I'm boiling. JBT is an offensive description or label? Well, how exactly does one act? Not busting on Cop2 so much but "every action gets a reaction"? Yes exactly. Thus why you acted as you did. "You have a gun. That is threatening". As though you were threatening him because you protested your treatment by the thug and you have a gun on you. What a crock. I'm sure he prefers to treat people like shit that are unarmed and preferably small and frail. That guy is a piece of work.
City of the First Class! Not even close

Yeah I'm thinking city with no class

[Curmudgeon]

Thanks C

Not saying I like it, not saying it's right, and I believe it violates the 4th Amendment, but it seems to be legal.

Note this is only in Philly, your comparison is valid for OC elsewhere in PA, IMHO.

[Metz]

*that they are carrying a firearm or that they have a firearm in the vehicle;*

Well, he KIND OF deliberately informed them by OCing, that triggered the whole chain of events. Which doesnt mean, of course, that encounter hadn't to be handled professionally.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, he KIND OF deliberately informed them by OCing, that triggered the whole chain of events. Which doesnt mean, of course, that encounter hadn't to be handled professionally.

I'm just reading what was written in the blog. Of note, the text of the actual settlement-agreement seems to be different.

[Carson]

Officer 1 is begging for a complaint to be filed against him, if not a lawsuit.

Officer 2 sounds like he could be our own Carson. (I mean that as a compliment to Officer 2, although he wasn't perfect.)


Officer 1: "You're just looking for a fight". I would be tempted to respond with childish but appropriate "I know you are but what am I?".

Wasn't me. I will have to watch the video later when I get a chance. See if I recognize anybody.

[Curmudgeon]

Wasn't me. I will have to watch the video later when I get a chance. See if I recognize anybody.

Unfortunately it's just audio.

[Carson]

Unfortunately it's just audio.

Ah, there was nothing showing as a link on my iPhone.

I'll give a listen later then.

[PAMedic=F|A=]

I guess the first 1983 lawsuit wasn't enough.

1) Failure to provide OC legality training
2) Failure to provide 4th amendment training
3) Failure to provide professional standards
4) Failure to hire people w/o a GOD complex

I am actually wondering if we could get class action status. How many people do not OC at all for fear of these encounters? How Many of is that do OC won't in Philly? How any of is well not travel to Philly because of this?

I would be filling a PFA vs the whole dept if I was him. If a LEO need to talk to viper,, they can find a Constable, a Trooper, or a Warden.