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Thread: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
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February 27th, 2014, 12:39 PM #11Active Member
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Re: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
Luzerne states on their webpage that non-residents need to bring their home state LTCF (or equivalent thereof), so presumably they're willing to issue them. I have business in Wilkes Barre on the 20th, so I'll head down early and take care of it then. Until then I've got a Utah CCL I can carry on, plus the PA LTCF with my old name, which is presumably still valid.
I wish I had the money to be the test case. What's the filing fee for the Court of Common Pleas? I'm betting it's more than the three extra gallons of gas I'll burn driving to and from Wilkes Barre....
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March 15th, 2014, 02:53 PM #12Member
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Re: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
Fat chance, he has not had a challenge since I can remember. Same with the DA, who has not shown himself to be a friend of gun owners with several recent cases involving self defense. Do not trust either one, they are not outright anti's but pay lip service to gun rights to keep their jobs. They pretty much have lifetime jobs in this county.
Susquehanna, like most rural counties is having money difficulties, they need to keep expenses down, and hiring another clerk is not going to happen.
I can see how they would be swamped by out of staters, mostly from neighboring NY, looking for a LTC. But given the rigors folks in NY have to go through to get a Pistol Permit one would think they would take this into consideration. But in my experience PA Public Servants have a great disdain for anything coming out of NY, with good reason.
I did notice, when I recently renewed my license, that the process has been somewhat automated with new equipment that puts your photo right on the license.
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March 15th, 2014, 08:46 PM #13Active Member
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March 17th, 2014, 02:53 PM #14Active Member
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Re: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
Stay armed my friends.
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March 17th, 2014, 03:08 PM #15
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March 17th, 2014, 08:22 PM #17Member
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Re: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
The issue with Florida came about because of Kane's self described "Florida Loophole" wherein Philadelphia residents denied LTC permits by Nutter's Minions were using Florida Non Resident licenses to carry in PA. The "Florida Loophole" only applies to residents of PA who do not have or are denied PA LTC and try to carry using a Florida Non Resident LTC. It does not affect Non PA residents who have a license in their own state and have a Florida non resident license.
So our friend from Binghamton would be good with a Non Resident Florida LTC if he also has a NYS Pistol Permit. Good luck trying to get that across to the local Barneys here in NE PA !
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March 17th, 2014, 11:04 PM #18Grand Member
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Re: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
That's not how I read the PA/FL reciprocity agreement (and notice dated about a week later). It appears that PA only recognizes the validity of FL permits issued to FL residents. There's nothing in there about non-res FL permits being valid for carry in PA.
Memorandum of Agreement 2/1/13
Notice 2/8/13
The first doc above says (with emphasis added)…
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania shall give full faith and credit to a valid Concealed Handgun License issued by the State of Florida to legal residents of the State of Florida; and …Last edited by twency; March 18th, 2014 at 12:36 AM. Reason: clarity
I am not a lawyer. Nothing I say or write is legal advice.
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March 18th, 2014, 08:19 PM #19Active Member
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Re: Susquehanna Non-resident LTCF
Utah took steps to close the so-called Philadelphia loophole, now they'll only issue to residents of States that recognize their license if the resident holds a license from their home jurisdiction. They'll still issue carte blanche to residents of States that don't recognize Utah's license, so a New Yorker can get it without having a NYS Pistol License, but a Pennsylvanian can't get it unless he has a PA LTCF.
The so-called Philadelphia loophole has been a legitimate problem in other jurisdictions, ones that can't be easily dismissed as anti-gun. Louisiana passed a law mandating that Louisianans carry on their home state licenses, because people there were using other licenses to duck LA's modest (36 rounds live fire, classroom instruction on their use of force laws) training requirement.
I know LA's story because I'm a part year resident there, but I've heard similar stories from other pro-gun jurisdictions.
Regarding "Barney Fife", I've only had one interaction with a LEO in NEPA, pulled over by Olyphant PD over an illegal right-on-red at 2am, and he gave me no issues whatsoever over my Utah (didn't have PA then) CCL. Your experiences may vary, but I'd be more concerned about issues in Philadelphia than I would be in NEPA. Frankly I think the guy who pulled me over was just happy that I was sober and couldn't have cared less about my firearm. Only time I've ever gotten a pass after being pulled over, he didn't even run my license.
Philly is the real reason why I want a PA LTCF, rather than carrying on Utah, plus the fact that it's so cheap and easy to get there's no real reason NOT to have it.
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