Questions about PA LTCF

[gddb856]

I currently have a TX CHL and i travel to Philadelphia frequently for work. I am thinking about moving to Springfield PA by next year. Should I get a non-resident PA LTCF and transfer to a resident PA LTCF in 2012?
Also i heard the PA no longer accept the the mail in non-resident form any more, so I would have to go to one of the sheriff to apply.
I hear Philadelphia is very difficult to obtain the license. Is there any county next to Philadelphia that have less restriction than Philadelphia?

[soberbyker]

Your Texas license is good in PA, all of PA, wait until you move here and then apply to the sheriff in your county for the PA LTCF which would also be good in all of PA.

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[God's Country]

Your Texas license is good in PA, all of PA, wait until you move here and then apply to the sheriff in your county for the PA LTCF which would also be good in all of PA.

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What he said.

[phillykev]

1) Philadelphia passed a law making it illegal to carry in Philly except with a PA LTCF if you are a PA resident, or a license from a state with reciprocity as long as you are a resident of that state. This law is illegal but has not been challenged as of yet. But you're ok being a resident of TX with a TX license.

2) A non-resident PA license would not do you any good in Philly in regard to above (illegal) law. PA license only good for PA residents according to it. You must be licensed by your resident state, and if that's not PA it must have reciprocity. As said above, you're ok with your TX license being a resident of TX. Would not be ok with a PA license as a resident of TX.

3) When you move to Springfield (which one, there's one in Delaware county and one in Chester County and one in Montgomery County ) You would apply there, not in Philly. You must apply in your county of residence. You'll need to change your DL over first.

[soberbyker]

1) Philadelphia passed a law making it illegal to carry in Philly except with a PA LTCF if you are a PA resident, or a license from a state with reciprocity as long as you are a resident of that state. This law is illegal but has not been challenged as of yet. But you're ok being a resident of TX with a TX license.

2) A non-resident PA license would not do you any good in Philly in regard to above (illegal) law. PA license only good for PA residents according to it. You must be licensed by your resident state, and if that's not PA it must have reciprocity. As said above, you're ok with your TX license being a resident of TX. Would not be ok with a PA license as a resident of TX.

3) When you move to Springfield (which one, there's one in Delaware county and one in Chester County and one in Montgomery County ) You would apply there, not in Philly. You must apply in your county of residence. You'll need to change your DL over first.

You sure about that? The illegal law states a PA resident can not carry in Philly on an out of state license, except the few it notes, a non PA resident with a PA LTCF would be good to go, even in Philly.

The Philly illegal law only concerns itself with PA residents carrying on an out of state license/permit.

OP, either way, don't waste your time or money getting a PA LTCF until you move here. Your Texas license is good here.
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[God's Country]

1) Philadelphia passed a law making it illegal to carry in Philly except with a PA LTCF if you are a PA resident, or a license from a state with reciprocity as long as you are a resident of that state. This law is illegal but has not been challenged as of yet. But you're ok being a resident of TX with a TX license.

2) A non-resident PA license would not do you any good in Philly in regard to above (illegal) law. PA license only good for PA residents according to it. You must be licensed by your resident state, and if that's not PA it must have reciprocity. As said above, you're ok with your TX license being a resident of TX. Would not be ok with a PA license as a resident of TX.

3) When you move to Springfield (which one, there's one in Delaware county and one in Chester County and one in Montgomery County ) You would apply there, not in Philly. You must apply in your county of residence. You'll need to change your DL over first.

Philly can go fuck itself. They can't enforce it, and won't IMO
It's just posturing so Philly sheep can pretend they're safe.
It's should be noted for sure, but no one should fear carrying in Philly over this.


OP here is the PA state law, which trumps Philly or any other municpality.
Print it out stick it in your wallet and sue any LEO. PD or Da that attempts
to ignore it.

PA CRIMES CODES

§6120. Limitation on the Regulation of Firearms and Ammunition.
(a) General rule. No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammuni¬tion components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this commonwealth.



§6109. Licenses.



(k) Reciprocity.-The attorney general may enter into reciprocity agreements with other states providing for the mutual recognition of each state's license to carry a firearm.


From the PA AG:

Firearm Reciprocity Agreements
In 1995, the Pennsylvania General Assembly gave the Attorney General the authority to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states.
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania currently has formal written reciprocity agreements with fourteen states that recognize a valid license to carry firearms issued by Pennsylvania. Conversely, Pennsylvania recognizes valid firearm carry licenses/permits from those states. In addition to the 14 formal agreements, other forms of reciprocity are applicable.

Carrying Firearms in Pennsylvania - Frequently asked questions (by the Pennsylvania State Police)
Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit. It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.
Categories of Firearms Reciprocity
Under Pennsylvania law, there are six categories of firearms reciprocity status.
Category 1: States that have entered into written reciprocity agreements with Pennsylvania. (Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6109(k))
The following states have entered into formal written reciprocity agreements with Pennsylvania under section 6109(k) of the Uniform Firearms Act. These agreements provide for reciprocal recognition of valid licenses/permits issued by both states. Recognition in Pennsylvania is based on the individual's issuance of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.
A list of these states and links to their firearms laws is provided below, along with the text of the agreements:

• Alaska
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Alaska
Read Alaska's official information on gun laws
• Arizona
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Arizona
Read Arizona's official information on gun laws
• Arkansas
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Arkansas
Read Arkansas' official information on gun laws
Florida
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Florida
Review Florida's official information on gun laws
• Georgia
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Georgia
Contact the Georgia Office of Attorney General
• Kentucky
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Kentucky
Review Kentucky's official information on gun laws
• Michigan
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Michigan
Review Michigan's official information on gun laws
• Missouri
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Missouri
Review Missouri's official information on gun laws
• New Hampshire
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with New Hampshire
Review New Hampshire's official information on gun laws
• North Carolina
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with North Carolina
Read North Carolina's official information on gun laws
• Oklahoma
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Oklahoma
Read Oklahoma's official information on gun laws
• South Dakota
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with South Dakota
Read South Dakota's official information on gun laws
• Tennessee
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Tennessee
Read Tennessee's official information on gun laws
• Texas
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Texas
Review Texas's official information on gun laws
• Virginia
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Virginia
Review Virginia's official information on gun laws
• West Virginia
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with West Virginia (Updated July 27, 2009)
Review West Virginia's official information on gun laws
• Wyoming
Read Pennsylvania's Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with Wyoming
Review Wyoming's official information on gun laws

[gddb856]

Thank you all. I just want to cover all ends as i heard Philadelphia police do not like their citizen to carry handgun.
My other question was If i have a non-resident PA LTCF, can I convert it to a resident PA LTCF?
$30 for a license is cheap compare to $140+$20 for Fast finger print in TX.

[phillykev]

Thank you all. I just want to cover all ends as i heard Philadelphia police do not like their citizen to carry handgun.
My other question was If i have a non-resident PA LTCF, can I convert it to a resident PA LTCF?
$30 for a license is cheap compare to $140+$20 for Fast finger print in TX.

There's no resident vs. non-resident license. That's just your status, not the type of license. They're all the same. You are perfectly fine and safe with your TX license in PA including Philly. So don't bother. Not all counties will issue to non-residents, in fact I believe most will not. So just fly on your TX license until you move, then get your PA license when you move.

[mrjam2jab]

You sure about that? The illegal law states a PA resident can not carry in Philly on an out of state license, except the few it notes, a non PA resident with a PA LTCF would be good to go, even in Philly.


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Are you sure about that?

It doesn't really say such:

(2) Prohibited Conduct. No person shall carry a firearm upon the public
streets or upon any public property at any time unless that person is:

(a) either (.1) a resident of Pennsylvania licensed by a political
subdivision of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to carry a firearm or licensed to hunt;
or (.2) a resident of another state, which state has a reciprocity agreement with
Pennsylvania under 18 Pa. C.S.§ 6109(k) or has statutory reciprocity under § 6106(b),
and is licensed by such state to carry a firearm or to hunt;

[soberbyker]

Are you sure about that?

It doesn't really say such:

Actually it doesn't truly address a non PA resident with a valid PA LTCF at all, wouldn't that in itself make it a valid way to carry? That is if the so called law was legal to begin with, which it isn't, so none of this matters.
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