Project Gun-walker and the ATF

[redeye202]

They both did an outstanding job of confusing the public on what is, and is not an automatic gun, it was done on purpose, by both, F&F put automatic guns on the streets of this country, REALLY, it's true, they said it on the tv, this is what the public hears and understands, so I believe that no matter who is sitting in the White House come Jan. 22- 2013, the die has been set for some sort of further gun control, and F&F will be the excuse given for it.

I can see it now, single action revolvers, bolt action rifles with no mag, break action single bbl. shotguns, hey, you want guns, well there they are, and they comply with 2A.

I need another coffee.

We are fucked now and will be corn holed next year and every year there after.

[nfafan]

Excerpt from tonight's debate where the "Assault Weapon Ban", "Fast and Furious" and "automatic weapons" were mentioned. I'm not sure that either party FULLY understands what an automatic weapon is and how they are regulated here in the US.

And Mitt Romney implied that "Fast and Furious" gave automatic weapons to people here in the US? "Illegal" automatic weapons? Really? This is the understanding that Mr. Romney has of operation "Fast and Furious"? On the plus side, at least he mentioned the issue.

<snip>

CROWLEY: Quickly, Mr. President.

OBAMA: The - first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an
assault weapons ban before he was against it. And he said that the
reason he changed his mind was, in part, because he was seeking the
endorsement of the National Rifle Association. So that's on the
record.

But I think that one area we agree on is the important of parents
and the importance of schools, because I do believe that if our young
people have opportunity, then they are less likely to engage in these
kinds of violent acts. We're not going to eliminate everybody who is
mentally disturbed and we have got to make sure they don't get
weapons.

Which is why Mittney is truly the lesser of two evils...

Conveniently an NRA member now...

Just like mixed-race Obama is conveniently all BLACK for liberal voters, and Hispanic-American Zimmerman is conveniently an all WHITE good ol boy to the anti-gun crowd.

[twoguns]

I would not be surprised if there is some false flag incident within the next two weeks.

Don't look for the NRA to support your right to own the evil black rifles for much longer....no matter who gets in the White House next.

[xotech]

http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/...im_4443-1.html

October 16, 2012
Gun Bloggers Ask Romney To Disavow Obama’s Fast And Furious Executive Privilege Claim

(GunReports.com) — The lead editorial in the October 2012 issue of Gun Tests magazine asks presidential candidate Mitt Romney to immediately disavow claims of executive privilege in the ongoing Fast and Furious scandal. As Gun Tests’ Editor Todd Woodard wrote in his “Downrange” column:

Working in the bowels of the Fast and Furious mess have been two largely unthanked writers, Examiner.com gun blogger David Codrea and citizen journalist Mike Vanderboegh of the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog.

To read the whole article, please click the link above.

[twoguns]

The money quote from Codrea, Re: Romney's debate performance on the subject of F&F.

http://www.examiner.com/article/romn...st-and-furious


Romney blows debate opportunity on Fast and Furious

Elections 2012
October 16, 2012
By: David Codrea

What he failed to do, totally quashing any building excitement that he’d raised by broaching the subject, was to challenge Obama on executive privilege the president has extended to documents subpoenaed by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that the Eric Holder Justice Department has refused to turn over. The Republican candidate did not challenge the president on his reasons for issuing that order, nor did he pledge to revoke it or to promise cooperation with Congress should he be elected. With the momentum gone, moderator Candy Crowley intervened and purposefully redirected Romney with a reminder that the subject was an “assault weapon” ban—essentially hijacking the option to respond as he saw fit during his allotted time.

This is a tremendous disappointment to activists who have been advancing the Fast and Furious story with the goal of wresting the truth from those withholding it, and urging the Romney campaign to give substance to what to date appears to be politically-motivated lip service rather than a commitment to hold those responsible for an operation resulting in violations of laws and the loss of hundreds of human lives. While partisan apologists will no doubt point to this as some sort of proof that Romney has addressed the issue, all he really did was set up an opportunity he then failed to follow through on.

[Cookster]

I too wished that Romney pressed Obama on F&F, but Crowley stopped him from doing so. This was one of the 28 interruptions Romney had to endure from the unbiased debate moderator, er, 2nd debate opponent.

[IGPJAP]

The money quote from Codrea, Re: Romney's debate performance on the subject of F&F.

http://www.examiner.com/article/romn...st-and-furious


Romney blows debate opportunity on Fast and Furious

Elections 2012
October 16, 2012
By: David Codrea

What he failed to do, totally quashing any building excitement that he’d raised by broaching the subject, was to challenge Obama on executive privilege the president has extended to documents subpoenaed by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that the Eric Holder Justice Department has refused to turn over. The Republican candidate did not challenge the president on his reasons for issuing that order, nor did he pledge to revoke it or to promise cooperation with Congress should he be elected. With the momentum gone, moderator Candy Crowley intervened and purposefully redirected Romney with a reminder that the subject was an “assault weapon” ban—essentially hijacking the option to respond as he saw fit during his allotted time.

This is a tremendous disappointment to activists who have been advancing the Fast and Furious story with the goal of wresting the truth from those withholding it, and urging the Romney campaign to give substance to what to date appears to be politically-motivated lip service rather than a commitment to hold those responsible for an operation resulting in violations of laws and the loss of hundreds of human lives. While partisan apologists will no doubt point to this as some sort of proof that Romney has addressed the issue, all he really did was set up an opportunity he then failed to follow through on.

Romney didn't blow an opportunity, he took advantage of one. By mentioning F&F he reaches the far right of the GOP base and keeps them energized.

If he delves into it any deeper, it will probably turn off independents and undecided voters. Everyone except far right bloggers, extremists within the GOP, and Teabaggers, accept the OIG report and don't consider F&F some big ol gun conspiracy.

He's trying to win votes from independents and the undecided. Right or wrong, it's the strategy he has chosen. I don't hear anything about Romney possibly losing this election because he's not out on a soapbox trumpeting about F&F.

[IGPJAP]

I too wished that Romney pressed Obama on F&F, but Crowley stopped him from doing so. This was one of the 28 interruptions Romney had to endure from the unbiased debate moderator, er, 2nd debate opponent.

Yeah and Romney sat in his chair and kept quiet the entire time Obama spoke. LOL

[unclejumbo]

If he delves into it any deeper, it will probably turn off independents and undecided voters. Everyone except far right bloggers, extremists within the GOP, and Teabaggers, accept the OIG report and don't consider F&F some big ol gun conspiracy.

The only people it will turn off is the Kool-Aid chugging loony-left, progressives. Most voters have nothing but a very cursory knowledge of it thanks to the MSM running cover for the poser-in-chief. Honey O'boo boo should be asked directly what it is he's hiding by invoking executive privilege.

[IGPJAP]

The only people it will turn off is the Kool-Aid chugging loony-left, progressives. Most voters have nothing but a very cursory knowledge of it thanks to the MSM running cover for the poser-in-chief. Honey O'boo boo should be asked directly what it is he's hiding by invoking executive privilege.

Incorrect. The left progressives are voting for Obama whether Romney brings up F&F or not. They are already in the Obama camp. It's the independents and undecided voters who both are making a pitch towards. That's why they are spending the most money in the states where polls are tightest.

Independents and undecided voters don't have F&F anywhere near the top of their lists of reasons of why they are going to vote for either candidate. As far as most are concerned the issue is dead after the OIG issued his report.