Project Gun-walker and the ATF

[twoguns]

I don't trust Issa as far as I can throw him because he is one of the 57 members of Congress in the 1%.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...y-1/51216626/1

I believe he is the P.T. Barnum of the Fast and Furious carnival show.

I must agree with you, FA.
This has been all show and no results.

Further evidence that the Dead Elephant Party is over, done, finished.
Let the corpse rot now. Let the carrion pick it to the bones.

[Ten*K]

My points in blue

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — President Felipe Calderon on Thursday unveiled a "No More Weapons!" billboard made with crushed firearms and placed near the U.S. border. He urged the United States to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. Are you listening, Mr. Holder? Mrs. Clinton? Napolitanothing? Omao?

The billboard, which is in English and weighs 3 tons, was placed near an international bridge in Ciudad Juarez and can be seen from the United States.
Calderon said the billboard's letters were made with weapons seized by local, state and federal authorities. Most of which were direct government to government sales, which were then handed over to the cartels by your own corrupt forces

"Dear friends of the United States, Mexico needs your help to stop this terrible violence that we're suffering," Calderon said in English during the unveiling ceremony. Yep. You could act against the cartels, but you don't. Not really.

"The best way to do this is to stop the flow of automatic weapons into Mexico," he added. I agree... show me which gun shop sold fully automatic weapons to the cartels... they should be closed down. Oh wait, you cant get them like that, here.

Before unveiling the billboard, Calderon supervised the destruction of more than 7,500 automatic rifles and handguns at a military base in Ciudad Juarez.
Tools which are not capable, in themselves, of violence

Calderon said more than 140,000 weapons have been seized since December 2006, when he launched a crackdown against drug traffickers. More than 47,500 people have been killed since then. And the claim that the majority of those guns came from the U.S. has been proven to be a lie.

One of the cities most affected by the violence is Ciudad Juarez, where more than 9,000 have died in drug violence since 2008. By many former policia and federales who now work for the cartels.

Also Thursday, the country's Attorney General said a federal prosecutor assigned to a northern state has been detained on suspicion of protecting the brutal Zetas drug cartel.

Attorney General Marisela Morales said federal prosecutor Claudia Gonzalez has been sent to prison. She didn't say when Gonzalez was detained or give any other details. And that it takes a lone woman to stand up to the corruption of your government should shame YOU, not us.

Gonzalez was based in the city of Saltillo, capital of the border state of Coahuila.

The state on the border with Texas has seen a spike of violence as the Zetas and the Sinaloa drug cartel fight for control of drug smuggling routes into the United States. Yeah, our government is kinda responsible for that... I concede this point to you. But the purpose is a politically motivated power grab here in our own country, regardless of how many Mexicans get scrambled... you know so the Statists can try and make a perfect Socialist omelet. Too bad they're using rotten eggs.

[Valorius]

The tragedy is that no one even cares.

When i start a thread in the lounge about my GF's nutty end of the month behavior and it gets 2x as many views and comments as this thread has in months... in just 2 weeks....

Yeah....no one cares. :-/

[twoguns]

My points in blue

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — President Felipe Calderon on Thursday unveiled a "No More Weapons!" billboard made with crushed firearms and placed near the U.S. border. He urged the United States to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. Are you listening, Mr. Holder? Mrs. Clinton? Napolitanothing? Omao?

Attorney General Marisela Morales said federal prosecutor Claudia Gonzalez has been sent to prison. She didn't say when Gonzalez was detained or give any other details. And that it takes a lone woman to stand up to the corruption of your government should shame YOU, not us.

Gonzalez was based in the city of Saltillo, capital of the border state of Coahuila.

The state on the border with Texas has seen a spike of violence as the Zetas and the Sinaloa drug cartel fight for control of drug smuggling routes into the United States. Yeah, our government is kinda responsible for that... I concede this point to you. But the purpose is a politically power grab here in our own country, regardless of how many Mexicans get scrambled... you know so the Statists can try and make a perfect Socialist omelet. Too bad they're using rotten eggs.

Excellent rebuttal, Ten*K!

Especially poignant is your comment about a woman handling the problem. The oh so macho, Latino male should be ashamed of their cowardice in the face of this violence.

I also stand by my position, stated many times throughout this thread, that a major contributing factor to this problem is U.S. drug policy. The fedgov has created a situation whereby black markets will flourish due to the opportunity to make huge amounts of $$$money$$$.

As FA has pointed out on many of his posts, there is also CIA complicity in this; drugs is big biz and covert ops help to keep the most unaccountable of all unaccountable government agencies cooking their little schemes.

[NuclearSociety]

The tragedy is that no one even cares.

When i start a thread in the lounge about my GF's nutty end of the month behavior and it gets 2x as many views and comments as this thread has in months... in just 2 weeks....

Yeah....no one cares. :-/

Oh we the few...

[son of the revolution]

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/02/17/f...rtels-weapons/



Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- CNN is reporting on comments made by Mexican President Felipe Calderon at the debut of a sign on the South-West Border that says ” NO MORE WEAPONS” facing in the direction of the US.

Continuing the long discredited lie that was first floated several years ago and more recently suggested as the base reason for Fast & Furious an overtly attempted effort by the highest levels of various agencies of the The US Government ( ATF, FBI , DHS , ICE) to prop up the bold face lie that US Guns are the cause of Mexico’s descent into chaos.

CNN could not help themselves and included in the coverage of Calderon this quote stating that “84,000 high powered assualt weapons have been seized” since he began his Presidency.

This figure and anything remotely close to it was proven years ago to be a complete and utter fabrication, a deliberate effort from a Foreign Leader and numerous high profile officials in the Obama Administration, such as Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, President Obama and others to drive up domestic support for Gun Control.

The facts are only roughly 12 percent of the guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico are even submitted for tracing to US Officials. And when they are traced successfully, the actual number of firearms flowing to Mexico from Stateside sources are approximately 8,000 total, despite the best efforts of the Obama Administration to artificially inflate those numbers even more via Operation Fast and Furious.

In CNN’s coverage was not a single mention about the complicity of US Officials actively arming the Drug Cartels, not a word from Calderon or CNN about the diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks that show : http://tiny.cc/dkkla

“The most fearsome weapons wielded by Mexico’s drug cartels enter the country from Central America, not the United States, according to U.S. diplomatic cables disseminated by WikiLeaks and published here Tuesday by La Jornada newspaper.”

That inventory includes grenades and rocket launchers, necessary items for beating the Mexican army.

This corroborates an LA Times report from early 2009, which cataloged “hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets…” as part of the cartel’s high powered arsenal.

The Obama administration still blames American gun owners, by asserting that American guns “fuel” Mexico’s drug war. Even President Obama himself asserts: “More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.”

Not so much as a single sentence about the US Government sanctioned sales of weapons to the Mexican Military and Fedrales, sales approved by the US State Dept ( Hillary Clinton) to the Mexican government whose members routinely defect to work for the Drug Cartels with disturbing regularity, taking their military hardware with them when they go. http://tiny.cc/o5a08

Yet the U.S. Gov has approved the sale of more guns to Mexico in recent years than ever before through a program called “direct commercial sales.” It’s a program that some say is worse than the highly-criticized “Fast and Furious” gunrunning scandal, where U.S. agents allowed thousands of weapons to pass from the U.S. to Mexican drug cartels.

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson discovered that the official tracking all those guns sold through “direct commercial sales” leaves something to be desired.

One weapon - an AR-15-type semi-automatic rifle - tells the story. In 2006, this same rifle was – tracked by serial number - as being legally sold by a U.S. manufacturer to the Mexican military. Three years later – it’s found in a criminal stash in a region wracked by Mexican drug cartel violence.

That prompted a “sensitive” cable, uncovered by WikiLeaks, dated June 4, 2009, in which the U.S. State Department asked Mexico “how the AR-15″ - meant only for the military or police - was “diverted” into criminal hands. And, more importantly, where the other rifles from the same shipment went: “Please account for the current location of the 1,030 AR-15 type rifles,” reads the cable.

There’s no response in the record.

The problem of weapons legally sold to Mexico - then diverted to violent cartels - is becoming more urgent. That’s because the U.S. has quietly authorized a massive escalation in the number of guns sold to Mexico through “direct commercial sales.” It’s a way foreign countries can acquire firearms faster and with less disclosure than going through the Pentagon.

Here’s how it works: A foreign government fills out an application to buy weapons from private gun manufacturers in the U.S. Then the State Department decides whether to approve or disprove of the shipment outside the USA.

And it did approve 2,476 guns to be sold to Mexico in 2006. In 2009, that number was up nearly 10 times, to 18,709. The State Department has since stopped disclosing numbers of guns it approves, and wouldn’t give CBS News figures for 2010 or 2011.

International Black Market Arms Sales
There’s another source, rarely mentioned by the media, and a much more likely source of the Drug Cartels weapons. Third World Black Market Sales.

The Drug Cartels are a multi billion dollar a year industry, with international contacts of all kinds, including banking, smuggling, shipping, terrorism and most certainly underground weapons dealer’s.

Even if you discount all of the other documented sources of the Cartels weapons in favor of buying the “Its US Gun Laws and Sellers Faults” line peddled by Calderon, Obama, Eric Holder, Members of Congress, an assortment of Gun Control Groups and the vast majority of the media; that would mean you having to believe the following.

That the Cartels, with nearly limitless resources and international contacts:

Prefer to send individuals or small groups of operatives across the US Border illegally
Go to US Gun Shops to purchase semi automatic only firearms ( not machine guns, grenades, RPG’s and other assorted heavy weapons that are always strategically placed on tables for photo ops )
Take the risk of being denied or discovered during the mandatory Federal background check required at all gun shops
Successfully clear that hurdle, then risk further discovery, arrest and confiscation on their way back to Mexico with their ill gotten gains.

As opposed to reaching out to their International Third World contacts and ordering up an untraceable shipping container of true military firepower, at a fraction of the cost of retail prices in the US and have that shipment delivered right to their door steps with a few well placed bribes to the right people in Mexican Customs, an agency of a National Government where corruption at all levels is essentially a national pastime and very nearly openly acknowledged as the way things are done.

Given the information presented here, which seems more plausible ?

That the Cartels are getting their weapons from legitimate US Gun shops, thus as Eric Holder says, we simply must re instate the so called ” Assault Weapons Ban “, which, by the way, never never had any effect what-so-ever on violent crime rates.

Or is it significantly more likely that the vast majority of weapons are coming from anywhere else BUT US Gun Shops?

Calderon’s statements, and CNN’s slipshod reporting of them masquerading as “news” speaks quite well to exactly what I said in an article a few days ago about the concept of ” The Great Lie “ being actively practiced with great aplomb and zero consequences in what passes for “news ” these days.

And I wont even get into the firestorm of outrage that would occur if anyone, let alone the US President placed a sign on the US side of the border stating ” No More Illegal Immigrants“

Calderon needs to stop lying, stop financing efforts by US law firms to sue gun manufacturers and dealers in US Courts and start worrying about his own domestic problems instead of constantly blaming the US for his own Countries dismal condition.

More articles, commentary and information by Dan Roberts available at That Every Man Be Armed.com

[twoguns]

Good post, S.O.R.

I tried to + rep you but the gods will not allow it just yet.

Keep speaking truth.

[twoguns]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...any_means.html

February 18, 2012
Project Gunrunner Wasn't Fast and Furious by Any Means
By Russ Vaughn

For those of you who have the unenviable task of debating liberals in your family or workplace, let me render some aid. Liberals are jumping all over the falsehood that Fast & Furious was conceived and put into play during the Bush Administration as Project Gunrunner or Operation Gunwalker. And while it is undeniably true that such a federal operation was put into play by the Bush Administration, there is a huge difference between the Bush initiative and Operation Fast & Furious: motive.

To quote the ATF fact sheet at The U.S. Embassy in Mexico website, here was the goal of Project Gunrunner which did indeed come into existence during the Bush presidency:

ATF is deploying its resources strategically on the Southwest Border to deny firearms, the "tools of the trade," to criminal organizations in Mexico and along the border, and to combat firearms-related violence affecting communities on both sides of the border. In partnership with other U.S. agencies and with the Government of Mexico, ATF refined its Southwest Border strategy. ATF developed Project Gunrunner to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico and thereby deprive the narcotics cartels of weapons. The initiative seeks to focus ATF's investigative, intelligence and training resources to suppress the firearms trafficking to Mexico and stem the firearms-related violence on both sides of the border.

Note those terms deny, stem the flow, deprive and suppress.

Project Gunrunner was a multinational effort involving the use of eTrace, a Web-based program, "that provides for the electronic exchange of traced firearm data in a secure internet-based environment."

Contrarily, as the whole world now knows, Operation Fast & Furious increased cross-border firearms trafficking to the extent that 2,000 dangerous, lethal weapons went missing entirely as no method for tracking them was employed. And why was that? Considering Obama's remarks to the Brady Bunch that his administration was working on the issue of gun control under the radar, it requires no great intuitive leap to understand that the incoming Obama Administration saw an existing opportunity to advance their campaign of disarming the citizenry through altering and expanding an existing program and leaped on it.

A commenter on one of my Comments raised a possibility I had not previously considered. As soon as Obama was elected, gun owners across America, fearing just this kind of undermining of their constitutional rights by an administration incubated in Chicago, one of the most anti-gun metropolitan areas in America, began a furious buying of guns and ammunition. Ask anyone in the firearms industry, the Obama presidency has been the best sales stimulator they have ever experienced. Fearing that some form of federal ban or punitive excise tax might be forthcoming from this Chicago mob, I, like many millions of others, enhanced my personal arsenal and bought up large quantities of ammunition.

And that phenomenon raises the question postulated by the commenter: Was Fast & Furious a knee-jerk liberal reaction by an anti-gun administration that feared a quickly re-arming America? Plant guns in Mexico that could be eTraced back to the U.S. and then use that evidence to anger the American public into going along with stricter, federal gun control legislation? The obviously too-orchestrated claims by too many federal officials that ninety percent of the weapons confiscated following violent crimes in Mexico were simply too pat and too obvious to those of us who know something about the procurement of weapons. It simply made no sense whatsoever for the rich and powerful cartels to engage in nickel and dime purchases of semi-automatic* weapons in dribs and drabs across one of the most heavily-defended borders in the world when they could buy fully-automatic** weapons by the shipload from multiple sources around the world and at far lower prices. For that reason, folks in the know all around the world hoo-hawed at the Obama administrations blatantly phony attempts to link gun violence in Mexico to American-purchased arms. On the other hand, the lefties of the world ate it up.

We are faced with a clear reality: an armed citizenry represents a clear and present danger to those leftists and Marxists who would seek to render them a harmless and complacent herd. These same leftists and Marxists are joined in this belief with despots all across the political spectrum, and all around the world. Regardless of whether you are a left-wing dictator or a right-wing tyrant, you have to be keenly aware that an unarmed populace isn't likely to storm the palace and inflict fatal wounds upon those who have subjugated them.

Getting back to the foolishness and fatality of Operation Fast & Furious, I'm not certain at this point about its motivation. But, because our Attorney General and his justice department are furiously stonewalling the congressional investigation, the American public can only conclude that there is something very harmful to the continuance of the Obama Administration that must not be revealed. For a cover-up at this level and of this intensity, that something has to be either politically terminal or criminally indictable.

And that folks, is the difference between the Bush project, designed to interdict weapons transfers into Mexico for the perfectly legitimate government goal of reducing criminal activity, and the Obama operation, designed to mislead and misinform the American public into quiescently giving up their constitutional rights to gun ownership and possession. And never forget that Obama and his gun-hating administration had what they believed was a clever, fail-safe, fall- back position: if they were exposed they could always point to Project Gunrunner and blame everything on Bush.

When you're talking to those liberal co-workers and family members who buy into this garbage and try to blame Bush, ask them this: how many people, American or Mexican, died as a result of the Bush program?

And then ask how many have died because of Fast & Furious?

*A semi-automatic weapon fires only one projectile per each separate trigger pull.

**A fully-automatic weapon fires continuously as long as the trigger is depressed-a machine gun to the civilian mind.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...#ixzz1mknFgYaL

[Ten*K]

The only thing Fast or Furious about this whole traitorous catastrofuck is the way certain souless Statist traitors are trying to cover their trails... And asses.

[ForwardAssist]

Darryl Issa,

Previously found guilty of carry a concealed deadly weapon in his vehicle.
Three different allegations of car theft.
Arrested for grand theft.
Arrested for stealing a car IN FRONT OF A COP.
Arson allegations.
Dissmissed a former employee by displaying a box with a handgun inside.
Etc......



A champion of justice and equality?



Lol, yeah.


(BTW, according to TYT he presently has 75 investigations ongoing against the Obama administration. Translation; If you don't see him draw blood it's all showmanship, and his real objective is obtaining leverage for his own purposes.)