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    Default Nikon Coyote Special

    Has anyone used the Nikon Coyote Special scope? How did it perform and would you recommend buying one?

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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    http://www.opticstalk.com/nikon-coyo...046_page1.html

    http://arealmansreviews.blogspot.com...x40-scope.html

    Found these two reviews quickly after using Google. I'd guess there are more.

    I love Nikon scopes. Just got a Prostaff for Christmas. Also have a Monarch and VSD red dot. Both have been great so far.
    You can never have enough horsepower or ammunition.

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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    i have a brand new Nikon buckmaster (BDC) on a brand new remington 700 .308. Brought home 2 big doe this season...

    I love my scope, and i know its the exact same as the coyote scope. 100% recommend!!

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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    I am also a big Nikon fan but I do some work for them so what do you expect?
    Of course I have only worked for them for 6 months and I have been using their scopes for 16 +years so going to work for them was an easy decision. When you work for a company that makes products you believe in and use it is easy to relay my experiences on to others when they ask a question.
    I have the Coyote Special 4.5-14 and I love it. It is on a DPMS AR in .243
    It is a scope that will let you go out and make that quick running shot on a coyote at 400+ yards if need be. I encourage you to go to Nikonhunting.com and click on the Spot On logo in the upper right corner and then register to use this site. It'll make shooting so much easier and it's all free!
    You can print a field reference chart to put on your stock as well.
    Check it out and let me know what you think.
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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    Quote Originally Posted by bman940 View Post
    I am also a big Nikon fan but I do some work for them so what do you expect?
    Of course I have only worked for them for 6 months and I have been using their scopes for 16 +years so going to work for them was an easy decision. When you work for a company that makes products you believe in and use it is easy to relay my experiences on to others when they ask a question.
    I have the Coyote Special 4.5-14 and I love it. It is on a DPMS AR in .243
    It is a scope that will let you go out and make that quick running shot on a coyote at 400+ yards if need be. I encourage you to go to Nikonhunting.com and click on the Spot On logo in the upper right corner and then register to use this site. It'll make shooting so much easier and it's all free!
    You can print a field reference chart to put on your stock as well.
    Check it out and let me know what you think.
    Bart
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    I agree that the scopes are nice, and work well. They have good glass, and the reticle system works well for quick hold overs. I still think that there's some BS'ing and exaggerations being made in your post, and I'll mention why.

    The reticle system is accurate and subtends properly for coyotes on the model you mentioned, at 14x. If you want it to work at other magnifications, some mental adjustments and corrections have to be made, AND it has to be dialed EXACTLY to the power where those corrections are correct. As a long range shooter, even 400 yards under field conditions and in a rush, isn't exactly an "easy" shot. It's not a hard shot, but it's far from a slam dunk, especially for the average shooter. Most wouldn't shoot at a coyote, or even see a coyote at 400 yards, unless it was sitting still. So most people aren't going to outright shoot at a running coyote at 400 yards, so again, he's sitting still. Most of those people are going to dial their scopes up to the highest power so that they can see him a bit better at 400 yards. So let's say they shoot and miss, and that's why the coyote is running. I don't know about everybody else, but I actually HAVE shot at running coyotes at 400 yards, and I dang sure ain't going to be doing it at 14x. I've done it at 12x, but most of the time I prefer to be zoomed out even a bit more. This gives 2 options, the person can attempt to shoot at the magnification that they're at, and probably fail miserably. The second option is that they can attempt to PERFECTLY dial down to some other magnification that they know the reticle adjustment for, and get back on target of something moving 30mph or faster. You have to get on target, do the correction in your head, and take the shot before the animal takes cover, or gets to an even greater distance where your hold for 400 yards doesn't matter anyways.

    I'm sorry, but most people aren't going to make the shot. Most people either won't get on target, or won't dial down perfectly to the other magnification, or will just forget what the subtension adjustment value was. If those were the only factors to consider, that would be hard enough. The truth of the matter is, they're NOT. Brad, how many times have you shot at a coyote on a dead full run, 90 degrees to you, at 400+ yards? For those that aren't familiar with the leads, even with a 75 grain .243 bullet going 3,500 fps (a fair load) at 30mph (sometimes faster), it's over 5 ft. WITHOUT any correction for wind. Then you'd have to adjust that amount for more or less depending on which way it's running relative to the wind.

    I'm sorry, but whether or not you're at 14x, holding 5 ft. in front of a target moving that fast is difficult to measure. A little circle that helps you know how much drop the bullet has is NOT going to help you with the lead. So someone ends up trying to hold that little dot, out in the middle of space over 5 ft. in front of the target (which is not easy), or you're just looking out into space on the horizontal and trying to keep the circle's height mark on the coyote. There's no horizontal measurement or stadia to help you much on the lead. It's a good system, especially for shooting at stationary targets, at reasonable distances. All this other talk about it being a scope that will let you be ready to take a shot at a running coyote at 400 yards is HOGWASH. Someone who is consistently making that shot at 400 yards, will do it with whatever scope they like, and it has NOTHING (or very little) to do with the scope or the reticle. Someone who isn't used to making that shot, will not make it statistically any more often than if they got lucky with a duplex, target dot, or any other reticle. The scopes are nice, and the software is helpful for people not familiar with making these types of corrections or using other reticle systems.

    I'm not trying to take this whole discussion off topic, but I felt like this is necessary. Come on man, be honest, don't fill these people full of bullcrap. You're exaggerating and trying to sell a product, but pretend that you're not. It's bullshit, the reticle is NOT going to help you take a shot at a running coyote at 400+ yards, trust me, I know. I just bring this point up because it's something I want the OP to understand. The circles mainly help you with the elevation value, and only slightly with the wind value. Shooting relatively small sized targets at 300 yards or more WILL require adjustments on your windage. So it's not as simple as just holding the circle over the target and firing. You WILL have to hold the circle some amount off center to account for the wind. There is no other reference point to help you in this value except for the edge of the circle, and the place where it goes to a thicker stadia. Come on people, don't buy into all the hype and marketing. It's a good reticle and it will help for certain things, but you gotta shoot with it and practice with it at those distance. It's not going to make you much of a better shooter at 400 yards, if you don't use it often at 400 yards. This reticle isn't going to really help you on movers going at some unknown distance, or 30 mph at 400 yards. I'm sorry Bart, but you trying to feed this drivel to people is an insult to their intelligence. Either you think they don't have any, which is sad because you're taking advantage of them; or you think that they know better, but just won't say anything. That is just a bunch of marketing hype. Seriously though, have you ever shot at coyote not running directly away from you at 400+ yards? If so, how often?

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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    I had this big response typed up and I killed it for this. One of rigs would look like this on that shot.

    Range: 400yd (assuming a ranged target)
    Wind: 10mph left to right

    Adjustments:
    Elev: None (Zeroed @ 200y)
    Wind: 2 Minutes left

    Moving?

    I wouldn't take the shot with the little knowledge I have of coyotes.
    Last edited by Fr0sty; February 3rd, 2011 at 08:12 AM.

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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    Tom,
    My intent was to merely discuss my experience with Nikon's Coyote Special scope. It has worked very well on my DPMS Ar .243 with Winchester's 55 gr. projectiles leaving the muzzle at almost 4000 fps. My biiest contribution to this thread was intended to be the use of Nikon's Spot On Program. This Program will allow you to enter your scope and load data as well as wind and get the appropriate correction. You can also print a Field Reference Guide for your stock giving you the distances for each circle at each magnification setting. I agree with you that most folks don't have their scope at max. power when trailing a coyote, they can then glance at their stock and quickly get corresponding distances for each BDC circle.
    I hope this helps clarify my earlier thread?
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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    Quote Originally Posted by bman940 View Post
    Tom,
    My intent was to merely discuss my experience with Nikon's Coyote Special scope. It has worked very well on my DPMS Ar .243 with Winchester's 55 gr. projectiles leaving the muzzle at almost 4000 fps. My biiest contribution to this thread was intended to be the use of Nikon's Spot On Program. This Program will allow you to enter your scope and load data as well as wind and get the appropriate correction. You can also print a Field Reference Guide for your stock giving you the distances for each circle at each magnification setting. I agree with you that most folks don't have their scope at max. power when trailing a coyote, they can then glance at their stock and quickly get corresponding distances for each BDC circle.
    I hope this helps clarify my earlier thread?
    Bart
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    Howdy Bart, thank you for the PM and clarification, and the post here. My sincerest apologies about misunderstanding your post. I agree completely with your intent to push the Spot On program, and people taking advantage of the free program. I like the program because it's customized for their reticle, takes a lot of the hassle out of figuring out holds for the average person, and allows you to add in your own load data. As far as I know, no other scope company is offering this type of program for their reticles, and not for free. I like the program and the reticle, I just don't think it'll help much with leads on moving targets. That was my main gripe about your post. I just didn't want people being mislead by what I perceived to be an exaggeration or embelishment. I misunderstood your intentions, and again, my apologies. I'm glad to have a Bushnell rep here, and we look forward to any advanced information, and support that you can offer.

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    Thank you for that Tom. It's nice to know guys like you are keeping those of involved in the industry accountable. I never mind someone questioning me or asking me to expand on a statement. We all just want the truth and to always be a safe hunter and conservationist.
    Please feel free to PM me with any other Nikon Sport Optics questions.
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    Default Re: Nikon Coyote Special

    Just in case anyone is interested. For my rifle, .243, 55 gr. bullet 4025fps MV,zero is 200 yards, at 400 yards going 10 mph left to right, if I aimed at the head my shot would be approximately 14 inches left, still a fatal shot if I make it count. I just wanted to throw this out there to show that this is the kind of information that can be gathered from Nikon's Spot On program.
    Now if the snow ever melts here I can go out and get some pictures.
    bart
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