sbr engravers in pa

[vega]

I live in Harrisburg (dauphin county) and just mailed in my form 1's. I want to order my stripped lower to be prepared to assemble. Is there an engraver somewhere near me that I can have it sent to? Do they need to be a ffl?

[clarion44]

I live in Harrisburg (dauphin county) and just mailed in my form 1's. I want to order my stripped lower to be prepared to assemble. Is there an engraver somewhere near me that I can have it sent to? Do they need to be a ffl?

You haven't purchased a lower yet? How did you fill out your form without a serial number?

I don't know of engravers around you. I just shipped mine off to have it done.

Orion Arms

[GunLawyer001]

You haven't purchased a lower yet? How did you fill out your form without a serial number?
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Excellent question. Something seems off here.

[Pa. Patriot]

As a manufacturer (Form 1), you can use any serial# you wish (unique to your own series).

IOW. If you Form 1 an existing title-1 firearm into a title-2 firearm you can use the original #, or not. Most folk keep the existing# on an SBR from a title-1 lower.

[Gi14]

+1 for Orion Arms.

They aren't in PA, but it's a simple process, they do nice work, and it's relatively inexpensive. You have to contact them for pricing and information.

G.

[GunLawyer001]

As a manufacturer (Form 1), you can use any serial# you wish (unique to your own series).

IOW. If you Form 1 an existing title-1 firearm into a title-2 firearm you can use the original #, or not. Most folk keep the existing# on an SBR from a title-1 lower.

Instruction (i) states:

i. If an existing firearm is being modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item 4a. DO NOT ALTER OR MODIFY THE EXISTING SERIAL NUMBER. If the NFA firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g.

I haven't compared this to the statute or regs, but the instructions seem pretty clear (except with respect to 4h). An AR-15 SBR using an existing firearm isn't being made from parts; you'd have to start with a billet and machine the lower receiver yourself to fall into that category.

You could ALSO add your own serial number in 4h, but that would just be superfluous markings, according to the instructions. "The" serial number should be the one on the Title 1 firearm that you're using.

[Kramer]

Instruction (i) states:

i. If an existing firearm is being modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item 4a. DO NOT ALTER OR MODIFY THE EXISTING SERIAL NUMBER. If the NFA firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g.

That's the way it's usually viewed, use the existing serial number unless you built the firearm from parts or billet.

[Pa. Patriot]

Instruction (i) states:

i. If an existing firearm is being modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item 4a. DO NOT ALTER OR MODIFY THE EXISTING SERIAL NUMBER. If the NFA firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g.

I haven't compared this to the statute or regs, but the instructions seem pretty clear (except with respect to 4h). An AR-15 SBR using an existing firearm isn't being made from parts; you'd have to start with a billet and machine the lower receiver yourself to fall into that category.

You could ALSO add your own serial number in 4h, but that would just be superfluous markings, according to the instructions. "The" serial number should be the one on the Title 1 firearm that you're using.

I understand this is the source of confusion, but there is nothing (that I can find) codified to support this poorly written forms instructions. Thus my answer.

They would not be superfluous markings if the originals are removed. Seems to me this would not violate the ser# restrictions if done after approval and after engraving with the new markings. Since the old title-1 forearm does not exist, same as demilled, removing the old, superfluous ser# should not be a problem, no?