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Thread: Handgun Registry in PA
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November 14th, 2007, 11:19 PM #11
Re: Handgun Registry in PA
I just started working at Gander Mountain in the firearms department and was wondering if anyone could tell me when I sell a firearm at the end of the transaction I have to log on the computer and fill out an E-Bound form with the customers name address and phone number I then get a number that gets recorded on the forms both for long gun and pistol. My question is what database is this information for?
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November 14th, 2007, 11:24 PM #12
Re: Handgun Registry in PA
Sounds like that's an electronic version of the federally required "bound book".
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November 14th, 2007, 11:49 PM #13Grand Member
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Re: Handgun Registry in PA
not necessarily. that case happened awhile ago. some of the current judges may not have been on the court at the time. also, the decision may not have been unanimous. some of the current judges may have voted to make the PSP stop maintaining the registry.
i'm all for voting out any judges who voted to allow the PSP to keep maintaining the registry, but i don't want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater". pro-2nd amendment judges on a supreme court are priceless...i don't think we shoudl vote them out just because they are outnumbered.
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November 15th, 2007, 02:11 AM #14
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November 15th, 2007, 11:47 AM #15Grand Member
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Correct.
Every time I hear someone foaming at the mouth about getting rid of all the judges to send a message, I start grinding my teeth because it's so silly and self-defeating -- it's a temper tantrum.
Why the hell would you want to vote against a judge who agrees with you?The material presented herein is for informational purposes only, is not guaranteed to be correct, complete, or up to date, does not constitute legal advice and does not establish an attorney-client relationship. You should NOT act or rely on any information in this post or e-mail without seeking the advice of an attorney YOU have retained.
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November 15th, 2007, 12:00 PM #16
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Our State Supreme Court Judges are for the most part pro-gun from the cases I read about. Same with the appeals court judges too.
I think we need to fix the "data-base" with better worded legislation rather than kick a bunch of good guys/gals off the bench.
When the Jefferson Co Commissioners were fighting in court over what was a "court facility", one of the hearings was on PCN. With exception to one judge on the panel, I'd have to say that they were all animate that carrying a gun was an unquestionable right. I do believe a female judge even quoted out the 2A and Section 21.
Sure, we may have some judges from Blue areas that may be anti. However those are pretty much confined to the Pittsburgh, Philly and other urban areas. ...the rest of the state is pro-gun, pro-rights, and pro-privacy.
Picture Pennsylvania:
You have Pittsburgh on the west, Philly on the east, and Alabama in between.
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December 7th, 2007, 07:01 PM #17Super Member
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Re: Handgun Registry in PA
I have a quick question. I understand that a registry is illegal, I understand the PSP is pretty much keeping one. My question is, why is it so bad? I am just not sure, The way I look at it is, If John Doe buys a gun and after a year decides to use it in a crime and ends up killing someone, ditches the gun somewhere and takes off. Now if they find the gun and link it to the killing, wouldn't a registry help them find out who owned the gun and help find this guy? Is there another way that its done besides a registry? Again I am still new to all of this so I am learning as I go.
Thanks
Matt.
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December 7th, 2007, 07:08 PM #18
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December 7th, 2007, 07:09 PM #19
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December 7th, 2007, 07:10 PM #20
Re: Handgun Registry in PA
Here is a cost answer to your question
http://acslpa.org/n-legislative/pa_p...egislation.htm
HB 1161 - Offense of unlawful firearms records; penalty prescribed.
INTRODUCED BY METCALFE, BAKER, BASTIAN, CAPPELLI, COX,CREIGHTON, CUTLER, J. EVANS, EVERETT, GEIST, GERGELY,GIBBONS, HARRIS, HERSHEY, HESS, HUTCHINSON, M. KELLER, KORTZ,MARSHALL, MUSTIO, RAPP, ROAE, ROHRER, S. H. SMITH, SONNEY,R. STEVENSON, SURRA, CAUSER, SWANGER, DENLINGER, SAYLOR ANDYEWCIC
This bill prohibits the state police or any other state agency from keeping or maintaining any registry or any type of database of law abiding firearm owner’s purchases. Free people should never have their gun registered and history has shown that registration has always lead to confiscation of firearms, and given rise to tyranny. People should not fear their governments, governments should be fear of their people. A long as this balance of power by of consent to be governed by the people, honesty, fairness and freedom for all is maintained.
The state police wasted nearly $130 million operating the PICS system, which would have been done at ‘no’ cost to gun owners or the state of Pennsylvania by the National Instant Check system, a part of which is the retention and maintenance of an illegal database of gun owners. How many crimes have the state police solved by the staggering amount of money spent? Conducting the Instant Checks through the state run system has cost Pennsylvania citizens and gun owners dearly.
1998 Start up costs for the PICS System -- $22,000,000.
Yearly costs to operate and maintain PICS -- $6,000,000.
(Total thus far 11 years x $6 million= $66,000,000)
2007 PICS Upgrade -- $32,000,000
Total Costs to date -- $126,000,000
Successfully prosecuted prohibited individuals who tried to buy a gun on average per year--120 - 140
Wouldn’t the money be much better spent catching and locking criminals up rather than making list of law abiding gun owner’s firearms? See also SB 738 for concurrent senate bill.
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