Why doesn't Pennsylvania have Constitutional Carry?

[ShooterInPA1]

If any state should have Constitutional Carry, I would think it would be PA, yet we do not. Curious why this is the case as the PA Constitution is about as unambiguous as possible. It could not be written more clearly IMO. The framers wanted every citizen the right to defend themselves and this is a right which cannot be questioned.

Having to get a LTCF is indeed questioning this right.....therefore Unconstitutional IMO. Where am I going wrong?



PA Constitution
Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

[Azzy]

I can guess two reasons...

1. Philadelphia
2. Old-timers that think the 2nd amendment is just about their deer rifle that they shoot 3x a year.

[nlcrsn]

The fact that no one can get two people to agree and take government to task for their errors. Getting a large enough group to stand united and hold politicians feet to the fire. If we could convince every firearm owner, supporter in PA to stand in front of their Representatives office and demand it. It would be done. Seems we cant get 3% to organize.

[Franky4Fingers]

If our state actually has to devote time and resources and years of litigation to decide whether the Sheetz in Altoona on 17th street is allowed to sell six packs then deny them, then let them, then deny them, then let them again, etc etc etc. I have absolutely no faith in someone letting Constitutional carry be legal.

As far as I'm concerned, the PA legislative/ judicial system is a big FAIL. We're like..one of the few states that doesn't allow six pack sales in convenience stores, grocery stores. Because thats just horrible and evil and destructive. And Sunday sales too... its OK to sell it 6 days a week but you better not sell on Sunday.

We need to wipe out all laws and start over again as far as I'm concerned. Some of this shit is just really stupid.

[vinman]

I think the real question here is why isn't the whole country constitutional carry, the way it was originally intended to be and should be.

[XD40coyote]

Yeah but we don't have a right to 6-packs of beer written into the constitution. There is no " the right of the people to buy 6-packs of beer at Sheetz shall not be questioned".

In so far as the PA constitution and the 2A clause, yes this is being violated. Philly leads the way to HBG, and there are Fudds aplenty.

If we use Heller "liner notes" as a back up, then if nothing else, PA should allow OC in vehicles and public transit ( and horseback), and in Philly without gov't permission cards. OC on foot only in a culture of cars, trucks, motocycles, mopeds, ATV's, bicycles, buses, and trains, is unfair. A gov't permission card to OC in Philly= illegal by constitutional definition.

Yes, if the Fudds and other nonthinker gun owners would stop drinking Brady/Ceasefire koolaid, vote for pro 2A canidates, and do some phone calls/letter writing in the very least, then PA " the state with 1 million NRA members", could get the legislature moving to bust down Philly, and pass at least unrestricted OC statewide.

[SgtRecon]

I can guess two reasons...

1. Philadelphia
2. Old-timers that think the 2nd amendment is just about their deer rifle that they shoot 3x a year.

First post nails it !
Imagine that , in the city where the Constitution was written

[punxsutawneypete]

I can guess two reasons...

1. Philadelphia
2. Old-timers that think the 2nd amendment is just about their deer rifle that they shoot 3x a year.

3. The same people who outlawed 1890s technology semi-automatic firearms for hunting deer, for reasons that nobody seems to be able to remember or explain.

[GunLawyer001]

Since the thread was resuscitated . . . have any of you been to Philadelphia? Driven through areas around Allentown or Reading or Wilkes Barre or Harrisburg where your instinct is to lock the doors and adjust your Glock in its holster? Would you want your average sidewalk-dweller there to be able to carry a gun freely between court appearances until he gets his Crime Club bonus card stamped enough times to get a free trial?

We have a choice as a society: either identify the lawbreakers and thugs and crazies ONCE and take them out of the public sphere permanently (or until they are reliably rehabilitated); or have a revolving door justice system that ensures a steady supply of free range criminals, and maybe have the largest city become a "sanctuary city" for lawless alien invaders, and have the new DA promise not to prosecute "property crimes" like theft and vandalism and such.

One of those choices allows us all to reasonably assume that any person walking free is a good guy.

The other doesn't.

The Framers assumed that we'd go the first route.

[Parrisk]

Gunlawer

Is it a valid possibility to charge the State Representitives, who keep writing 'grandstand' anti-gun bills that go against 18 PA 6120, with conspiracy to commit treason or some other law for trying to violate current state law?

If so do you know a lawyer willing to go this route?

What kind of funds would be needed to do this?

I think it is time that gun owners stand up and bitch slap some of these politicians into following our current laws. I doubt anything much would come of it, but if a couple were to be charged and brought before a judge maybe it would slow this crap down.

I have contact with more and more folks who think the same way I do and want to throw money at this if it makes any legal sense