Why doesn't Pennsylvania have Constitutional Carry?

[andrewjs18]

There is not much difference to maintenance of liberty and maintenance of a firearm. Each is subject to continuous degradation simply by existing, and whether it is cleaning a gun after each firing or cleaning out corrupt criminals after each term of office, failure to perform that regular maintenance will not only decrease the quality of liberty or the firearm, but also make harm to it more irreversible. Just as pockets of obstination against liberty form when we fail to be vigilant against bad public officials, rifle bores rust and pit to the point of serious effects to accuracy. Because generation after generation before us failed to perform that maintenance on our government, the sense of liberty has become rusted and pitted, and that is why it seems overwhelming to consider standing up to the government today. Of course, there will be a point at which the only sensible thing to do is to melt down that failed firearm and make a new one from it, but we would have to do that while our government still lets us make use of a forge...

absolutely agree.

in the end, it's our fault we're so bad off.

[Finster]

we don't have constitutional carry because Americans are lazy...Americans are too lazy to stand up and fight for their rights. here we are sitting in our comfortable chairs relaxing while our founders put their heads on the line to declare our independence and preserve our liberties. if we're not willing to fight for our freedoms and liberties, they will simply cease to exist. freedom & liberty is not a guaranteed right..it's a right that MUST be fought for 24/7, 365.

You are one to talk!!!!!!! Remember this post?

"how would you feel if they were over here raping American women, killing innocent people, blowing up our buildings and etc...you'd be pretty pissed off, no? this is the type of shit American soldiers and American politicians are doing to their people in the middle east. wake up man."

here is the link to the thread if anyone cares to see it.

http://forum.pafoa.org/lounge-108/11...ml#post1327927

So what side are you really on here? Do you even know? You need to step back and do some soul searching before you make another comment and figure out what the hell you really believe in.

[JP8]

If I'm not mistaken, firearms laws became a big thing right after the Civil War. Basically no one (North or South) thought freed slaves should be able to carry guns.

[tomgun1]

i agree the beer and ammo should be on the same shelf, but since their aint no cure for stupid they gotta sailor proOf EVERYTHING.

[whoshisface]

We do have constitutional carry, we just allowed the goverment to ignore it.

We wanted to be able to make exceptions "to get the bad guys" , "for the children" and/or "For the public good/safety".

Whenever you make any exceptions to rights, you lose the absolute right and you have the cluster fuck we have now...

Ahh the great demise of the second is nothing compaired to what we're doing to the first...

[ShooterInPA1]

While we may want constitutional carry, and if any of us were to put forth that bill that we've learned how to draft, and the culture or the representatives weren't ready to make it happen, the alternative outcome is that the bill you've presented seems EXTREME and then bills like those PAFOAC put forth seem less extreme and are more likely to succeed. Conversely, when less extreme bills like those PAFOAC put forth are successful, they improve the culture and make it more willing to take on a bill like that which brings constitutional carry.

What is extreme about carrying out the wishes of the Founding Fathers, in a state which has clearly enumerated what the Right to Bear arms means?

"The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." Thomas Jefferson

PA Constitution
Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

And if this idea is truly "extreme", how were the people of AZ able to recently enact it?

[whoshisface]

You are one to talk!!!!!!! Remember this post?

"how would you feel if they were over here raping American women, killing innocent people, blowing up our buildings and etc...you'd be pretty pissed off, no? this is the type of shit American soldiers and American politicians are doing to their people in the middle east. wake up man."

here is the link to the thread if anyone cares to see it.

http://forum.pafoa.org/lounge-108/11...ml#post1327927

So what side are you really on here? Do you even know? You need to step back and do some soul searching before you make another comment and figure out what the hell you really believe in.

UM.. There is no conflict between these two statements. No solder in Iran or Afganistan is really fighting for our rights or our freedom. They might think they are and I respect the notion but the truth is they are fighting for someone elses freedom, which has been the case for many a US conflict.

I want them home here fighting for our rights and protecting our borders, not building a school in Iraq. Done aint no uses fer us...

[andrewjs18]

You are one to talk!!!!!!! Remember this post?

"how would you feel if they were over here raping American women, killing innocent people, blowing up our buildings and etc...you'd be pretty pissed off, no? this is the type of shit American soldiers and American politicians are doing to their people in the middle east. wake up man."

here is the link to the thread if anyone cares to see it.

http://forum.pafoa.org/lounge-108/11...ml#post1327927

So what side are you really on here? Do you even know? You need to step back and do some soul searching before you make another comment and figure out what the hell you really believe in.

what exactly are you trying to get at? I believe in FREEDOM & LIBERTY! if you don't like that..then move on.

with all due respect to American soldiers...are you saying that American soldiers are over their fighting for our freedom in an unjust, unconstitutional and perpetual war?! I'm sorry, but I TOTALLY disagree...in fact, we're losing our freedoms due to this war...remember that patriot act? remember the department of homeland security?!!?!

[emsjeep]

UM.. There is no conflict between these two statements. No solder in Iran or Afganistan is really fighting for our rights or our freedom. They might think they are and I respect the notion but the truth is they are fighting for someone elses freedom, which has been the case for many a US conflict.

I want them home here fighting for our rights and protecting our borders, not building a school in Iraq. Done aint no uses fer us...

They're fighting to keep the enemy occupied OVER THERE instead of waiting for them to come here and fuck shit up...other people's freedom potentially incidental to our own security...but that also ignores the political side of the story which is just another twisted mess. You are essentially correct though....

[andrewjs18]

They're fighting to keep the enemy occupied OVER THERE instead of waiting for them to come here and fuck shit up...other people's freedom potentially incidental to our own security...but that also ignores the political side of the story which is just another twisted mess. You are essentially correct though....

got facts to back up your statements?!

they're resisting because we're in their FUCKING COUNTRY! we'd be doing the same damn thing if they were here doing exactly what we're doing there!