FINGERPRINTING

[PINWORMFOOD]

hey guys, has anyone ever made a successful argument that fingerprinting should be reserved for criminals and not for the law abiding citizens who want to get a CCW. As far as I can remember, some Pa counties require fingerprints, and some don't. I could be wrong there. Also, for anyone who wants to get their Florida or Utah permits, I am pretty certain that you get printed for those. Has anyone challenged that yet? My prints have never been in the system and I am not looking forward to getting them in there any time soon. Is there anyone who got around this one yet? thanks.

[NShortino]

Getting fingerprinted is annoying, but arguing that it's unconstitutional will never work. I didn't have to get printed for my LTCF, but did to get a suppressor. Up until then I was never in "the system" but I'm not too worried about them being there. I'm not planning on breaking any laws, and definitely wouldn't leave prints behind, so I'm not worried they'll ever have to use the prints they have on file.

Also, fingerprinting technology doesn't really work like it does on CSI. In most cases criminals become suspects for some other reason, and then they print them to compare to what was found on scene. Your name and prints aren't going to come up on some crime lab computer screen like they do on TV, at least not unless you're already a suspect.

[den9]

i always felt the same way, but the way i see it, if you arent going to break laws theres nothing to worry about, and if you are, wear gloves

[AKsRule]

hey guys, has anyone ever made a successful argument that fingerprinting should be reserved for criminals and not for the law abiding citizens who want to get a CCW. As far as I can remember, some Pa counties require fingerprints, and some don't. I could be wrong there. Also, for anyone who wants to get their Florida or Utah permits, I am pretty certain that you get printed for those. Has anyone challenged that yet? My prints have never been in the system and I am not looking forward to getting them in there any time soon. Is there anyone who got around this one yet? thanks.

There is NO PA STATE LAW requiring fingerprinting to get a CCL , or as part of a PICS or when buying a Firearm.

If your County does it they are VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS.

PA LAW PREEMPTS ANY LOCAL GOVT. from passing a law which regulates
Firearms.

You and others should write a letter of protest to the State Att. Generals office.

[gbrown221]

There is NO PA STATE LAW requiring fingerprinting to get a CCL , or as part of a PICS or when buying a Firearm.

If your County does it they are VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS.

PA LAW PREEMPTS ANY LOCAL GOVT. from passing a law which regulates
Firearms.

You and others should write a letter of protest to the State Att. Generals office.

Eeach sheriff shall conduct an investigation in determining the issuance of a LTCF. It could and in my OP would probably be sucessfully argued that it is part of the investigation. Not saying that I agree. I don't think we should need an LTCF either.

[Statkowski]

Each sheriff shall conduct an investigation in determining the issuance of a LTCF. It could and in my OP would probably be successfully argued that it is part of the investigation.

The sheriff may indeed investigate (actually, the sheriff has a statutory requirement to investigate), but....

§6109. Licenses.
(c) Form of application and content.--The application for a license to carry a firearm shall be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be on a form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The form may contain provisions, not exceeding one page, to assure compliance with this section. Issuing authorities shall use only the application form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police

Would not fingerprints be submitted on a separate page? If so, it would violate Section 6109(c).

(d) Sheriff to conduct investigation.--The sheriff to whom the application is made shall:

(1) investigate the applicant's record of criminal conviction;

(2) investigate whether or not the applicant is under indictment for or has ever been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year;

(3) investigate whether the applicant's character and reputation are such that the applicant will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety;

(4) investigate whether the applicant would be precluded from receiving a license under subsection (e)(1) or section 6105(h) (relating to persons not to possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms); and

(5) conduct a criminal background, juvenile delinquency and mental health check following the procedures set forth in section 6111 (relating to sale or transfer of firearms), receive a unique approval number for that inquiry and record the date and number on the application.

Hmm, don't see anything at all about fingerprints in 6109(d).

[chez323]

Mute point for me, I joined the military out of highschool, so my prints and later my dna are in the system.

hey guys, has anyone ever made a successful argument that fingerprinting should be reserved for criminals and not for the law abiding citizens who want to get a CCW. As far as I can remember, some Pa counties require fingerprints, and some don't. I could be wrong there. Also, for anyone who wants to get their Florida or Utah permits, I am pretty certain that you get printed for those. Has anyone challenged that yet? My prints have never been in the system and I am not looking forward to getting them in there any time soon. Is there anyone who got around this one yet? thanks.

[cigarmanpa]

There is NO PA STATE LAW requiring fingerprinting to get a CCL , or as part of a PICS or when buying a Firearm.

If your County does it they are VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS.

PA LAW PREEMPTS ANY LOCAL GOVT. from passing a law which regulates
Firearms.

You and others should write a letter of protest to the State Att. Generals office.

pa also doesn't have a ccl...whatever that is...

[Fraggle09027]

hey guys, has anyone ever made a successful argument that fingerprinting should be reserved for criminals and not for the law abiding citizens who want to get a CCW. As far as I can remember, some Pa counties require fingerprints, and some don't. I could be wrong there. Also, for anyone who wants to get their Florida or Utah permits, I am pretty certain that you get printed for those. Has anyone challenged that yet? My prints have never been in the system and I am not looking forward to getting them in there any time soon. Is there anyone who got around this one yet? thanks.

There is NO PA STATE LAW requiring fingerprinting to get a CCL , or as part of a PICS or when buying a Firearm.

If your County does it they are VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS.

PA LAW PREEMPTS ANY LOCAL GOVT. from passing a law which regulates
Firearms.

You and others should write a letter of protest to the State Att. Generals office.

There is no CCL in PA. Pa issues a LTCF. I hate to seem like a stickler,, however when you use the term concealed carry license some construe it as "one's firearm must be concealed". Pa issues LTCF, License to Carry Firearms.

Now to the thread. I think a license is unconstitutional. Why give a permit for a God given right?

[Fraggle09027]

I just looked at Northampton Counties web site for their requirements:

http://www.northamptoncounty.org/nor...s/firearms.pdf

They Charge $35.00 for a license which is illegal. I erased what I was going to type. There is so much b.s. on their letter of requirements I do not know where to even start.