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    Default Chicago’s New Gun-control Regime Challenged in Court

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    Chicago’s New Gun-control Regime Challenged in Court

    WRITTEN BY ALEX NEWMAN
    TUESDAY, 03 AUGUST 2010 00:00

    Just four days after the Supreme Court essentially struck down the City of Chicago’s draconian handgun ban as unconstitutional, the City Council unanimously approved a tough new gun-control regime — the strictest in the nation, actually. The new rules went into effect on July 12. But they are already being challenged in court.

    The “Responsible Gun Ownership Ordinance,” introduced by Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, purports to require city-issued “permits,” registration, and special training for residents who wish to own guns. It will also limit the number of handguns eligible residents may purchase to one per month.

    Under the new rules, only one operable weapon per household is allowed. Handguns are forbidden outside of the home (including in garages, back yards, or on porches) and must be transported broken down and in a case. They cannot be sold within city limits, and only a list of “safe” guns drawn up by the police superintendent will be permitted.

    Aldermen (city councilors) generally agreed with the Mayor’s anti-gun crusade, as evidenced by the 45-0 vote in favor of the new set of rules. Many Aldermen quoted in media reports expressed outrage that the High Court struck down the city’s ban in the recent 5-4 McDonald v. City of Chicago ruling.

    Those favoring strict control measures like Chicago’s claim that gun ownership leads to increases in crime. Empirical evidence suggests the opposite is true. After the Supreme Court struck down Washington, D.C.’s draconian gun rules in 2008, the city experienced a 30-percent decrease in murder rates, explained John Lott, Jr., author of More Guns, Less Crime and one of the world’s foremost experts on the relationship between guns, gun control, and crime.

    Because of the new restrictive rules, “I assume that relatively few people are going to register handguns in Chicago and as such I think that the change in the law will have a relatively small impact on crime rates,” Lott told The New American. “The regulations go as far towards banning guns as Chicago thinks that they can go,” he said, adding that the rules will disarm the poorest citizens, “who are most likely to be victims of crime.”

    But at least two major lawsuits against the city’s new ordinance are already in progress, and more are anticipated in the near future. Joe Franzese, for example, owner of Second Amendment Arms in nearby Lake Villa, filed suit because he wants to open as many as five gun shops in Chicago. But the ordinance prohibits it. “I want to sell a legal product and you can’t outlaw a legal product,” he told the Libertyville Review.

    In the lawsuit, Franzese attacks the new law from multiple angles: “By banning gun shops and the sale [of] handguns, Chicago and Mayor Daley currently maintain and actively enforce a set of laws, customs, practices and policies under color of state law which deprive individuals, including the plaintiffs, of their right to keep and bear arms, and engage in commerce by selling them, lawful products, in violation of the Second and 14th Amendments to the United States Constitution.”

    Another lawsuit challenging the new rules was filed by four Chicago residents who want to bear arms, and the non-profit Illinois Association of Firearms Retailers, which says some of its members want to operate gun stores and shooting ranges in the city. The plaintiffs, backed by the National Rifle Association, hope to have the restrictive regulations struck down because they violate constitutionally protected rights.

    Attorney Stephen Holbrook, who serves as outside counsel to the NRA and worked on the McDonald case, said the city was basically flaunting the Supreme Court’s decision. “But if the courts take the Second Amendment seriously, the chances are good” that Chicago’s new ordinance will be struck down, he told The New American.

    Gun Owners of America, widely regarded as the nation’s fiercest and most principled defender of gun rights, also attacked the ordinance. “Obviously these policies are a failure; they don’t protect the people,” Executive Director Larry Pratt told The New American, pointing to gun-crime statistics and highlighting the fact that Aldermen are allowed to carry weapons. “Crime will remain high in Chicago because many law-abiding people are going to be daunted by the new law,” he said, predicting that the restrictions could end up back at the Supreme Court.

    Potential outcomes from legal challenges remain very much uncertain, since the Supreme Court ruled that “reasonable restrictions” were still permissible under the Second Amendment. Just what exactly “reasonable” means is hard to know, but it will likely determine whether Chicago’s new ordinance is upheld.

    “The right to keep and bear arms is not ‘a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,’” claimed Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito in the majority opinion rejecting Chicago’s outright ban.

    How that wording will be interpreted by the courts remains to be seen, but it will surely have serious implications for state and local gun laws across the country, many of which are already coming under fire after the court’s ruling.

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    wow...


    you know, i REALLY love the city of chicago.. but the people who run it are blatantly ignorant. I've wanted to live there for the past year or so.. but the fact that i like guns.. keeps me from moving right away.

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    even if states have hard facts in front of them showing that less guns = more crime, they'll still talk around the actual facts.
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    Default Re: Chicago’s New Gun-control Regime Challenged in Court

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewjs18 View Post
    even if states have hard facts in front of them showing that less guns = more crime, they'll still talk around the actual facts.
    Cognitive dissidence

    It's the same for climate change, religion, Ford vs Chevy, Steelers vs Eagles, etc, etc, etc.

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    The good news is people are starting to fight back, that in it self is a great trend
    RIP -The US constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buster2209 View Post
    Cognitive dissidence

    It's the same for climate change, religion, Ford vs Chevy, Steelers vs Eagles, etc, etc, etc.
    Woah now. We are talking about politicians. Hold off on the big words.

    Just call it "Da brain split"

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    “The right to keep and bear arms is not ‘a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,’” claimed Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito in the majority opinion rejecting Chicago’s outright ban.

    whats that suppose to mean?

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    Default Re: Chicago’s New Gun-control Regime Challenged in Court

    That was in Heller, reaffirmed in McDonald (pp 39,40 in the attached doc):

    "It is important to keep in mind that Heller, while striking down a law that prohibited the possession of handguns in the home, recog-nized that the right to keep and bear arms is not “a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” 554 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 54). We made it clear in Heller that our hold-ing did not cast doubt on such longstanding regulatorymeasures as “prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill,” “laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and gov-ernment buildings, or laws imposing conditions and quali-fications on the commercial sale of arms.” Id., at ___–___ (slip op., at 54–55). We repeat those assurances here.Despite municipal respondents’ doomsday proclamations, incorporation does not imperil every law regulating firearms."

    Computer being weird wont attach here's a link:
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Chaos View Post
    wow...


    you know, i REALLY love the city of chicago.. but the people who run it are blatantly ignorant. I've wanted to live there for the past year or so.. but the fact that i like guns.. keeps me from moving right away.
    They don't want you there, that's why they keep those laws. They figured out that it's a perfect way to slant the vote in their favor by making people like us not want to live there. It's basically a form of gerrymandering.
    "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws--that's insane!" -- Penn Jillette

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    Default Re: Chicago’s New Gun-control Regime Challenged in Court

    Ummm... that would be cognitive dissonance

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