Seeking new pistol: taurus mill pro 111 or kel tec p11

[rspowers]

So, I am going to get my first semi pistol, and I want something small, in 9mm. I am debating between the taurus millenium pro 111 or kel-tec p 11, but also considering others that are the same size. What are others experiences with these guns or other that are similar? How easy are they to conceal (can you put them in your pocket)? I am leaning towards the taurus, as it looks like it meets all my criteria and would be a fun range gun. If anyone has any opinions, please let me know.

also, what is the difference between the .380 and 9mm? I notice the .380 guns are smaller.

[Penguini66]

I like my P11 for daily carry IWB with the factory belt clip but find it a little heavy and bulky for pants pocket carry.

As far as reliability, I picked it up used so I don't know the guns history. I've put about 300 rounds of WWB FMJ through it and 100 rounds of WWB JHP through it. It has only failed to feed once with the JHP. That was my fault I think from limp wristing it one handed in my off hand.

The P11 can be found relatively cheap used. I've seen them for as little as $160. I picked mine up for $175.

One thing though, a gun this size is not for plinking. You must fire it to become comfortable with but do not plan on using it for any type of weekly plinking. After 50 rounds my hand is begging me to put down the Kel-Tec and pick-up the Glock.

[XD45]

although I dont feel that the p-11 is a pocketgun(the reason i looked at it) I must say it did feel nice,its american made and i dont care what people say keltec knows their stuff..

[Penguini66]

Also, here's a nifty little comparison chart of "pocket" guns: http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

[rspowers]

that chart is great, thanks.

[rey]

I pwn both the KEL-Tec P11 and the KEL-Tec PF-9. If you can . get the PF9 as it is much nicer to shoot than the P-11. It is also smaller and I have already shot 100 rounds at one sitting with the PF9 but I have never wanted to do that with the PF11