Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association
Page 1 of 17 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 169
  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    South Eastern PA, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    329
    Rep Power
    0

    Default To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    EDIT - Before reading, try to remember something that gave you a positive view of yourself.


    First of all, the importance of language is to convey something. If an LEO asks for your gun permit, you know he is referring to your LTCF.

    Secondly, just because it says License To Carry Firearms, does not mean it is not also a permit. Most people say turn signal, I call it a turning indicator. Neither is more correct then the other.

    To those that insist on "correcting" every reference to a LTCF being a permit, is that your way asserting your knowledge of PA firearm laws, or is it a deeper issue? Whatever the case may be, I just wanted to let you know it is correct to refer to a LTCF as a permit or a license.

    Main Entry: per·mit
    Pronunciation: \ˈpər-ˌmit, pər-ˈ\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1682

    1 : a written warrant or license granted by one having authority <a gun permit>

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/permit%5B2%5D


    EDIT - Just wanted to clarify this is not about the use of CCW Permit in lieu of LTCF.

    Here's an illustration of my point.

    Grumpy Old Man - "You got a permit for that thing son?"(Tries not to fall asleep)

    Elitist Gun Owner - "No, but I have a license for it."(Thinks to himself about how clever he is)

    Me - "If you have a license, you also have a permit, because they mean the exact same thing!"(Think to myself how the Elitist gun owner is not clever at all)
    Last edited by Kratos; August 5th, 2010 at 01:27 PM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    (Philadelphia County)
    Posts
    3,004
    Rep Power
    1828813

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    I think the biggest problem is not "permit" but rather "concealed carry permit". It gives the misleading impression that you only need the LTCF for concealed carry.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    S.W. Pa, Pennsylvania
    (Westmoreland County)
    Posts
    1,188
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    But even more importantly, does any of this matter?

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Willow Grove, Pennsylvania
    (Montgomery County)
    Posts
    3,446
    Rep Power
    21474849

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidTM View Post
    But even more importantly, does any of this matter?
    Well, some people do make a big deal out of it.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Sellersville, Pennsylvania
    (Bucks County)
    Posts
    444
    Rep Power
    2020

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
    I think the biggest problem is not "permit" but rather "concealed carry permit". It gives the misleading impression that you only need the LTCF for concealed carry.
    Try legalling carrying concealed without it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidTM View Post
    But even more importantly, does any of this matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Metz View Post
    Well, some people do make a big deal out of it.
    Guns are dangerous, but no guns is more dangerous.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    ✠ Ēǻζţ ŞŧЯǿŪđ§βũЯģ, Pennsylvania
    (Monroe County)
    Posts
    5,606
    Rep Power
    1365453

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit



    I posted this same basic thing a while ago

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Cranberry
    Posts
    1,947
    Rep Power
    3591672

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    First of all, the importance of language is to convey something. If an LEO asks for your gun permit, you know he is referring to your LTCF.

    Secondly, just because it says License To Carry Firearms, does not mean it is not also a permit. Most people say turn signal, I call it a turning indicator. Neither is more correct then the other.

    To those that insist on "correcting" every reference to a LTCF being a permit, is that your way asserting your knowledge of PA firearm laws, or is it a deeper issue? Whatever the case may be, I just wanted to let you know it is correct to refer to a LTCF as a permit or a license.
    the state doesn't permit me to have a gun, they permit me to drive. The fact that I'm an American permits me to have a gun. Same with carrying. the second amendment permits me to carry a gun, the state has added it's own laws so that I need to be licensed to do so.

    licenses and permits are different my friend.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Apollo, Pennsylvania
    (Armstrong County)
    Age
    38
    Posts
    1,613
    Rep Power
    12200203

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    Stop calling it a permit......you will ruin it for everyone

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Mountain Top, Pennsylvania
    (Luzerne County)
    Age
    48
    Posts
    11,946
    Rep Power
    238261

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    First of all, the importance of language is to convey something. If an LEO asks for your gun permit, you know he is referring to your LTCF.

    Secondly, just because it says License To Carry Firearms, does not mean it is not also a permit. Most people say turn signal, I call it a turning indicator. Neither is more correct then the other.
    Opinion. Not sure what the big deal is on either side of this. Some folks point out that it is a "license". I do not see any hostility in their pointing this out. However...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    To those that insist on "correcting" every reference to a LTCF being a permit, is that your way asserting your knowledge of PA firearm laws, or is it a deeper issue? Whatever the case may be, I just wanted to let you know it is correct to refer to a LTCF as a permit or a license.
    Really no need to be inflammatory over such a benign issue.
    _________________________________________

    danbus wrote: ...Like I said before, I open carry because you don't, I fight for all my rights because
    you won't, I will not sit with my thumb up my bum and complain, because you will.
    Remember Meleanie

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    City in, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    7,264
    Rep Power
    3575539

    Default Re: To All You Permit Nazis - LTCF=License=Permit

    While a license may be the same basic thing as a permit, our LTCF reads LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARMS right on the front of it. So it is a license.

    It is also referred to as a license on the application and in the statutes....


    (except for one place where it is called a permit)
    http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...ed-permit.html

Page 1 of 17 1234511 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Gun owner with license for concealed gun permit
    By kevin smith in forum General
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: September 28th, 2009, 08:14 AM
  2. license vs. permit
    By CHEMICAL in forum General
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: September 10th, 2009, 08:33 PM
  3. Do I need my license with my CC permit?
    By keystoneman 85 in forum General
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: April 30th, 2009, 02:47 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: June 25th, 2008, 03:31 PM
  5. Replies: 53
    Last Post: April 10th, 2008, 05:24 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Local gun shops | Local shooting ranges | Philadelphia Shooting Ranges | Philadelphia Gun Shops | Pittsburgh Shooting Ranges | Pittsburgh Gun Shops