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    Default What size are these?

    I'm gonna buy some more rubber shotgun loads but I don't know how big these are

    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/61956-1.html

    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM813-5.html

    I tried searching 15.30 diameter but came up bust. Are they 00 buckshot size or #4 or?

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    Quote Originally Posted by mickey01023 View Post
    I'm gonna buy some more rubber shotgun loads but I don't know how big these are

    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/61956-1.html

    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM813-5.html

    I tried searching 15.30 diameter but came up bust. Are they 00 buckshot size or #4 or?
    Look at the packaging more closely in the picture. Both are 15 pellets per shell, 7.5 mm diameter, printed on the case itself.
    Last edited by JayG23; July 25th, 2010 at 09:27 AM.

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    They are close to a # 2 shot... its diameter is .15 " NOT 15.3 "..lol ,, that would be one HELL of a big gun to lug around

    Buckshot is ( for size 00 ) is .33"

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    What are you planning on doing with less-than-lethal ammo? I've seen that stuff at gunshows many times, but never figured out a good use for it. It seems that if "shoot to kill" isn't warrented, then you shouldn't be shooting at all.

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    Quote Originally Posted by bac0nfat View Post
    What are you planning on doing with less-than-lethal ammo? I've seen that stuff at gunshows many times, but never figured out a good use for it. It seems that if "shoot to kill" isn't warrented, then you shouldn't be shooting at all.
    Got to agree with ya. Don't know bout the laws up where you are, but in some states simply aiming a firearm at someone is using lethal force. I can't cite sources but Ive heard of folks being charged for using less lethal ammo. DA apparently argued that if the person didn't feel that using lethal force was warranted that they shouldn't have brought a firearm into the equitation.
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    Default #1 Buckshot

    I don't know what SCHR8... is talking about. Not Swanshot, but Buckshot.

    "15 .30 Inch Diameter Pellets" "7.5mm"

    They are all #1 Buckshot size, and fast, but, as asked what would you use it for? Are you sure you can afford LTL rounds? Are you TRYING to save a target's life at the risk of your own, etc?

    Al
    Last edited by Al LaVodka; July 25th, 2010 at 10:42 AM.

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    Quote Originally Posted by bac0nfat View Post
    What are you planning on doing with less-than-lethal ammo? I've seen that stuff at gunshows many times, but never figured out a good use for it. It seems that if "shoot to kill" isn't warrented, then you shouldn't be shooting at all.

    This just made me laugh a little bit.

    So many people think that firearm ownership and use by others should fall within the realm of what they deem "normal" or "practical" but fail to realize that in doing so, completely justify the arguments of the anti crowd.
    Sec. 21. The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

    Sec. 25. To guard against transgressions of the high powers which we have delegated, we declare that everything in this article is excepted out of the general powers of government and shall forever remain inviolate.

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    Quote Originally Posted by Former_Marine99 View Post
    Got to agree with ya. Don't know bout the laws up where you are, but in some states simply aiming a firearm at someone is using lethal force. I can't cite sources but Ive heard of folks being charged for using less lethal ammo. DA apparently argued that if the person didn't feel that using lethal force was warranted that they shouldn't have brought a firearm into the equitation.
    I don't think thats correct really. Some states have brandishing charges but pointing a gun at someone isn't deadly force because something has to die for it to become deadly force. Maybe attempted deadly force but not deadly force for pointing.

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    Default Re: What size are these?

    Quote Originally Posted by mickey01023 View Post
    I don't think thats correct really. Some states have brandishing charges but pointing a gun at someone isn't deadly force because something has to die for it to become deadly force. Maybe attempted deadly force but not deadly force for pointing.
    Deadly force is the use or threat of force which can cause death or serious bodily harm. Those rounds are not less than lethal, they are less lethal. Call it semantics if you want, but there is a difference. They can and have caused death and serious harm.
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    Default Re: What size are these?

    Quote Originally Posted by Former_Marine99 View Post
    They can and have caused death and serious harm.
    So have Tasers, yet the police still refer to their use as "non-lethal".

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