win296 vs h110

**brian** · July 14th, 2010, 12:11 PM

i have seen several writtings on the electric porno web thingie saying that winchester 296 and hodgdon h110 are the same powder, the only thing different is can they are dumped in.

thoughts?

**41 Redhawk** · July 14th, 2010, 02:28 PM

This is confirmed by Chris Hodgdon of Hodgdon Powders. They sell both Win 296 and H110. Also, if you look at the data on their website you will see that in most cases the powder charges and velocities listed for both are the same. There are 4 other pairs of powder like that in their line up

Win 296 = H110
Win 231 = HP38
Win 760 = H414
Win 541 = HS6
Win 570 = HS7

Any difference between the two you might see in other manuals is attributable to lot to lot variation just like you can see from two cans/lots of the same labeled powder.

**pstew** · July 14th, 2010, 08:41 PM

the only difference I know of is that the h110 comes in a 8lb jug and W296 can be purchased in a 4lb jug.

**WVBob** · July 15th, 2010, 07:17 AM

I can't question the others being "the Same", but Win 231 and HP38 are not the same. They may have the same burn rate and act the same, but I would NEVER use the data from one powder for another. That's how people lose hands and eyes. They may be equal and you will use the same charge for the same load. But you might also cross up your thinking of what is what and very over or under charge.

Think Safe.

**41 Redhawk** · July 15th, 2010, 02:55 PM

WVBob,

Go to http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp browse your way in and look at a common round. I chose the 38SP. The load data, velocity, and pressure data from the people that sell the powders (Hodgdon) is identical.

**Eagles6** · July 15th, 2010, 09:44 PM

Supposedly identical but I ain't under oath.
On the other hand a former lot of W820 military surplus was 296 or H110 but the lot that I have loads to AA#9 specs.
Just for instance:
.357 Mag 125 gr H110 22.00 grs 1966 fps 41,400 CUP
.357 Mag 125 gr AA#9 15.6 grs 1567fps 35,178 CUP

**WVBob** · July 16th, 2010, 07:58 AM

41 Redhawk -What you say is true. Burn rate, presser can be the same. What I'm saying is I will never use a charge for one powder for another. It's my safety factor. I've been safe by going by what the books tell me for over 30 years and will not change.

There is to much "Well, someone told me" in realoading. I don't do that. I look at the books every time I sit down to reload. I don't want to cross my charges.

Think Safe.

**41 Redhawk** · July 16th, 2010, 02:24 PM

What I'm saying is I will never use a charge for one powder for another. It's my safety factor. I've been safe by going by what the books tell me for over 30 years and will not change.

Okay then pick up a Hodgdon book...the data for both powders is identical because they are the same powder. Differences you might see in a Speer, Lyman, or other book are simply lot to lot variation that you can experience with two different lots of the same labeled powders. When Hodgdon, who markets both Win 231 and HP38 and provides identical data for them, tells me they are the same I believe them.

As far as safety goes you should to cutback on your load and redevelop it each time you change lot numbers of your powder (which is what you are doing when you switch from current Win 231 to HP38 or vice verse).

BTW, I waved went I went by. I'm down in Summersville tonight (Friday) and headed on to southside VA tomorrow. I loved the country down through here. It is absolutely beautiful!