being denied to carry because of references??

[HiredGoon]

... she said go to a pa web site somewhere and read the statue about references.

Ask her to please point this statute out to you and show you or email you a copy of it.

You'll be waiting forever, because, as already mentioned, it does not exist.

[Michele]

I'd like to see the statute myself.

Just tell her what I told them up here in Erie county.

"I do not want my neighbors knowing my business".

[God's Country]

Ask her to please point this statute out to you and show you or email you a copy of it.

You'll be waiting forever, because, as already mentioned, it does not exist.

I'd like to see the statute myself.

Another curious citizen interested in reading the statute.

[Bigrepp61]

The statute does not dictate that the references be residents of the Commonwealth let alone the county in which your are applying for a License to Carry Firearms. I would just list two references and submit your application. If the sheriff refuses to accept your application then file a pro se writ of mandamus or pro se law suit.

FYI: As others will be more brash. PA does not issue a permit to carry.

It is a License to Carry Firearms (LTCF)

thats interesting cuz i vividly remember the application in lehigh county having a line that says references have to be from lehigh county...

[tlgpa]

wow!! i cant believe how many responses this thread got. i want to thank every one of you for your advise!

You really need to follow the advice given. Which you did not in the discussion with sheriff barbra.

but first i want to give you all an up date on this matter. the sheriff "barbra" called me today and discussed what needs to be done. she told me i absolutely need to supply two reference from Schuylkill co. and one reference has to be someone who knows me for a long time.

She is absolutely lying to you and breaking the law. Now demanding it being someone you've known for a long time. She's a piece of work. Making it up as she goes along.

she was very nice to me the whole time so i cant say anything bad about her

Get this out of your head. She was NOT nice to you! That's like saying "Oh it's ok, the robber was very nice and polite". Speaking in a nice tone while violating you is abhorrent.

P.S. i still dont have a schuykill co. reference to supply ={

We've explained to you several times, fill out the application with any references you want. Don't use their application (See below)

thats interesting cuz i vividly remember the application in lehigh county having a line that says references have to be from lehigh county...

This is the official COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA APPLICATION FOR A PENNSYLVANIA LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARMS
http://forum.pafoa.org/attachment.ph...9&d=1242247062

You will notice the only requirements for references are:
TWO REFERENCES – NOT FAMILY MEMBERS

Whatever bastardized form Lehigh County or Schuylkill County use is illegal.

edv177, use the COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA APPLICATION and submit that to Sheriff Barbra.

[anonymouse]

She may have been sweet about it on the phone, but she is still trying to bend you over and take advantage of you.

Don't let it happen. Why should you have to supply a Schuylkill County resident? The law doesn't require it.

[Corn Flake]

Try to go again when there are different employees at the window. Dress up a little bit. Submit the STANDARD application, not the one that they give. Say that you want an LTCF and hand over the application. Don't say anything about the references, don't even ask if it is ok.

That's how I did in Lackawanna and left 15 minutes later with my LTCF, even though they also request in-county references and I didn't have any. If they still refuse, then by all means bring out the guns (figuratively speaking).

[GunLawyer001]

This is going to sound really self-promoting, but what the Hell, it's true: If you expect trouble in a situation like this, spend the coin to bring a lawyer along.

This does 2 things (3, if you count "keeping lawyers employed"): It shows that you are a serious player who will not just go away; and it allows the lawyer to rebut the bullshit in terms that the LEO will understand. Cops don't really try to bluff practicing attorneys on legal matters. The Sheriff can claim whatever she wants, but the lawyer can cut through the crap and ask "which part of Chapter 61 of the Crimes Code authorizes that, because my reading of the prohibitors and application process of Section 6109 says nothing at all about the Sheriff having the discretion to deny for 'location of friends'."

Paying a lawyer for an hour to avoid a problem is better for you than paying a lawyer for 15 hours to research, draft, and attend an appeal. It's like stopping that leak in your upstairs bathroom now, or waiting to see if it collapses the floor into the kitchen later.

[tlgpa]

This is going to sound really self-promoting, but what the Hell,

Only self promoting if you're offering to drive to the Schuylkill County Courthouse to provide your services. lol
Are you?

Good advice though. Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[run silent run deep]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Said application will be processed. I had a very friendly talk with Sheriff Groody. Nice guy.