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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    they do not focus on WHERE specificly this violence is occuring..............AND..................WHAT kind/type of people are commiting this violence.

    Its really sad when you start looking at the specific statistics of these two questions.
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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    Quote Originally Posted by bert304 View Post
    I should have figured they were at Temple. I work on the tower crane that is there and that place is a dump and worse. Going there is the reason I applied for my permit. The place is infested with drugs and gang crime. What they fail to say is that these crimes are not done by law abiding gun owners but by gang punks, that are buying their guns from the local crack head. I do not know what parent in their right mind would send their childern to that place they are asking for their childern to be brought home in a body bag. On the other hand did anyone think CNN (clinton news network) would say anything else, They have been controlled by the Leftys since they started.
    I remember the first time I was there and there was a murder the night before I was there.
    I work at Temple as well. Which construction site are you working on?

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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    CNN = Canadian News Network
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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    Quote Originally Posted by cz_40p View Post
    CNN = Canadian News Network
    What are you trying to say? How does busting on another country .. that isn't involved in this story .. help in anyway?

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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    It's called sarcasm. Some might find it humorous.

    Canada is that socialist utopia to our north that hates us and our gun laws. Their press and politicians blame their failed gun control schemes on the USA.

    I was attempting to draw a connection between........................................... ..OH ....................................Never mind.
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    Ruger Mark II (.22)
    Heritage Arms Rough Rider (.22)
    (2)Phoenix Arms HP22 (.22)

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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    Quote Originally Posted by cz_40p View Post
    CNN = Canadian News Network
    Sorry I have to disagree...


    CNN = Communist News Network

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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    I know that blaming Philadelphia's violent crime problem on legal gun ownership in PA is stupid and is confusing correlation (of a very small sample, btw) with causation. Why is it so bad there though? Is there any evidence that concealed carry permits for legal citizens are beginning to make a positive difference?

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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    Quote Originally Posted by righteousbarbarian View Post
    I know that blaming Philadelphia's violent crime problem on legal gun ownership in PA is stupid and is confusing correlation (of a very small sample, btw) with causation. Why is it so bad there though? Is there any evidence that concealed carry permits for legal citizens are beginning to make a positive difference?
    There's what 20,000 permit holders out of how many million residents?

    How could they make a difference, there's not enough of them.

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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    I caught some of the coverage and heard State Senator Vince Fumo. He
    said I believe that the problem was "ENFORCEMENT" of present laws, that
    new ones were not the probloem. So it conjures up the thoughts that the
    District Attorneys of the City of Philadelphia, along with the Police Department
    are not effectively addressing the problem. I have no stats to support the
    following questions:
    What percentage of Suspects, have past criminal records and have been
    introduced to the alleged criminal justice system?
    How many are presently on Parole, Probation at the County, State, or
    Federal level?
    How many times has the the charge of Carrying a weapon in the commission
    of a crime been plea bargained out, or applied concurrent instead of conseut-
    ively to sentences.
    I seem to recall a thread posted here about 1.4 million warrants were out-
    standing in the Comm. of PA. , from parking tickets to homocide. Wether this
    figure has gone down or up indicates a system that is becoming overburdend
    and cell space in city, county, state facilities has reached breaking points. So
    if there not locking them up, where or what they are going to do is not
    straighten there lives out, but continue to commit crimes, and with guns and
    kill or be killed. I would bet money that it is a small percentage of these that
    are responsible for committing the largest amount of crimes with illegally
    possessed firearms. Just my humble opinion.
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    Default Re: CNN Pushes Gun Control in Philadelphia, Blames Concealed Carry for Crime

    Note how the Australians are being fed the exact same lies, by "Kim Landers"
    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2007/s2065598.htm

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